Canadian Politics

stealth toilet

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If you're American and reading this it probably won't mean much to you, but it should still be informative at the least. Last night was the Canadian election, and heavy favorite Stephen Harper and his Conservative Party (or as I like to call them for short, 'Cons') won a minority gov't. To all you Americans that is basically the Canadian equivalent of a Republican party, well, kind of but not really. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone had any opinions on it at all.

For myself I'm pleased. I wasn't really impressed with any candidate, and I don't affiliate really well with any one party, but if I'd have voted I'd have voted for the Cons. I wouldn't have wanted the Liberals to win, just because they got complacent and lazy with the decade they had in office, and by the end they didn't even try to cover up their corruption. The NDP party is a nice socialist choice, but for all the wrong reasons, I rarely agree with any of their platforms. And the Green Party, God bless'em for trying, but I don't really think they have a foot to stand on.

Anyway, if anyone has anything to say please do so. It would be nice to talk about politics without the name "Bush" being thrown in the mix.
 
Honestly, I pay more attention to the politics of Mexico because I live so close to the border and it can have an effect on the Southwestern U.S. So I pay almost no attention to Canadian politics.
 
Well just yesterday I believe Bush was rather SHUT DOWN by our newest Prime Minister. You guys should have heard about that. :lol
 
Well that's nothing new. Our two governments have seemingly gone down two separate paths since World War II.

And at the risk of sounding mean, I'd say so?? Canada is not a threat to the U.S. And there is really nothing Canada has to offer the U.S. So the Pirme Minister shutting down President Bush is not important by any means.
 
stealth toilet said:
Well just yesterday I believe Bush was rather SHUT DOWN by our newest Prime Minister. You guys should have heard about that. :lol

That's good news to me. Dont care who it's from but I love hearing Bush get Shut Down. That's awsome. :)
 
go watch South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut

that should give you a nice idea of what America thinks of Canadian politics (no offense to you just stating the truth)
 
And there is really nothing Canada has to offer the U.S. So the Pirme Minister shutting down President Bush is not important by any means.

Ya, you're right. We'll just shut off power to California, and quit shipping lumber, as well as other raw materials, to the states, so I hope your country wasn't planning on developing anytime soon...

Don't kid yourselves, NAFTA is something that greatly benefits both sides. For that reason alone Canada factors into American plans. You don't need to be a threat to be important.

go watch South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut

that should give you a nice idea of what America thinks of Canadian politics (no offense to you just stating the truth)

I have seen it, and I do hope you realize that was satire, not truth. If it is, then Americans are just a bunch of gun toting yahoos who are more concerned with pointing the finger at someone else than adressing the problems they face. Well, perhaps there's some truth... :lol
 
Sounds like Texas, ye haw y'all

(I'm from the south so I'm practically dissing myself)
 
stealth toilet said:
I have seen it, and I do hope you realize that was satire, not truth. If it is, then Americans are just a bunch of gun toting yahoos who are more concerned with pointing the finger at someone else than adressing the problems they face. Well, perhaps there's some truth... :lol

Hm. Some truth?? Well then, should I believe that Canada is full of pot smoking sissy do-nothings??

Bottom line is if the Canadian Prime Minister had a brain in his skull, he would have acted in a more civil manner. I mean, your prime Minster "shutting down" the leader of the Nation just south of you seems immature. What was he planning to gain out of this?? Did he think President Bush would think, Dang. That guy is one tough dude. I should fly right up there and start the boot-lickin'?

And honestly, if Canada decided to not sell electricity to California, do you think it would throw the U.S right back into the stone age?? Hi. I live in Arizona. We sell power to California too.  ::)

Bottom line is it's not a big deal by any means. Who cares?? Is all of Canada high-fiving eachother?? Congrats. I hope your life is more meaningfull because of it.

Dray said:
George Bush getting dissed by Canada, awesome

Dray, President Bush is the leader of the United States. Assuming that you live here, he's a representative of you. He gets dissed, you will too...
 
Dart said:
Dray, President Bush is the leader of the United States. Assuming that you live here, he's a representative of you. He gets dissed, you will too...

Sorry, but no he is not. He represents the people who voted for him. The president does not represent everybody in the US. Which is why so many people hate us because they first look at bush and think that everybody thinks like him. Which is not true.
 
stealth toilet said:
Well just yesterday I believe Bush was rather SHUT DOWN by our newest Prime Minister. You guys should have heard about that.  :lol

funny, you said no bush being talked about yet your the first too :lol :lol
 
Oh, and if Bush gets dissed that means, well nothing cause he gets it all the time, What i feel about Bush is he sent people to Iraq for the sake of him getting a false sense of pride. I'm guessing he just wanted to be a president that made war-related decisions and not have a boring presidential time-period. And i think the drafting system is just play homosexual...If you go it's suicide(basically) if you don't you go to jail for draft-dodging, or you can do like the hippies during Vietnam, move to countries never to see family and friends again... >:( ok well I'm going to get bombed with disagreement :lol
 
No bashing for opinions. I'm really losing interest.

As for draft dodgers getting tried for treason, it's never happened. You get thrown in jail for draft dodging. Treason is when you turn against your own government in a militant manner.
 
i don't want any troops getting the wrong idea...if i could i would go to iraq, but u no i can't....so i support troops, but im not agreeing with the cause
 
Hm. Some truth?? Well then, should I believe that Canada is full of pot smoking sissy do-nothings??

Haha, I was actually being sarcastic when I said that, hence the laughing face I plastered after my sentence. My entire point was that the South Park movie was satire, and none of it was to be taken as hard fact. On this point, I actually agree with you, I hope you know that. :lol

Bottom line is if the Canadian Prime Minister had a brain in his skull, he would have acted in a more civil manner. I mean, your prime Minster "shutting down" the leader of the Nation just south of you seems immature. What was he planning to gain out of this?? Did he think President Bush would think, Dang. That guy is one tough dude. I should fly right up there and start the boot-lickin'?

Do you even know what happened between our two leaders? Probably not, based on those comments. Our Prime Minister didn't "SHUT DOWN" your President persay, nobody in Western politics does anything like that. I was exaggerating out of jest, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. All that happened was that your President made a comment about not respecting Canadian soveriegnity over the Territories (Northwest, Yukon, and Inavut or something, that last one was just made a couple years ago, the spelling is all eskimo style so I don't know if it's right) now that the Canadian equivalent of a Republican party is in office, to which our Prime Minister simply replied that America must respect Canadian sovereignity across our whole country. So if you want to argue about civility, and wondering what our Prime Minister was "planning to gain," think about what your President was planning to gain by ignoring Canadian authority...

And honestly, if Canada decided to not sell electricity to California, do you think it would throw the U.S right back into the stone age?? Hi. I live in Arizona. We sell power to California too.

Well I was joking there too, but if you want to get to the nuts and bolts of things Canada could severely damage the United States' economy if we wanted to. It would severely damage ours in the process as well, but the point is co-operation between our countries is vital for the survival of both. Comments like that are just frustrating, because it reinforces the "arrogant American" stereotype, and I know you're not one, so it's even more frustrating to hear you talk like one. If America would be just as well off without NAFTA, it wouldn't exist, simple as that.

Bottom line is it's not a big deal by any means. Who cares?? Is all of Canada high-fiving eachother?? Congrats. I hope your life is more meaningfull because of it.

It's not a big deal, but it is a moderately sized deal :lol. A lot of people thought that with the government in Canada that we now have, we'd be repairing much of the animosity between our two governments. Right off the bat this incident proved that it is unlikely to happen. Which is really too bad, cuz right now it seems like the US needs all the friends it can get.

funny, you said no bush being talked about yet your the first too

Haha, yes, "the ironing is delicious" as some might say. You'll also notice that subsequently after I mentioned Bush's name a plethora of responses magically appeared. It's like Americans don't care about something unless it directly affects them... and just so there's no mix-up this time, that last sentence is a joke, as in, not to be taken seriously. So grow a sense of humor and have a laugh, or ignore it entirely.
 
Yes, I figured you were acting in jest. But to make sure, I shot off that comment to test the waters.

As for ignoring Canadian soveriegnty, I doubt that is an issue. Ever notice that the U.S/Canadian border is basically the largest unguarded border in the world?? I do wish both governments could get along better. After all, both nations came from the same root.

And yes, ruining another country's economy is not a smart thing to do because it would effectively cripple both economies. And my comment was not rooted in arrogance. I do have a pride for my country. And that stemmed from the American Revolution. It was "us" against the world at the time. And that will be forever rooted in the American Spirit. "To be the best." And in saying so doesn't mean I think any other nation is less off or substandard. I just feel that the nation that I was born in has certain qualities that I see are lacking in other countries. Her I can express my opinions without persecution from the government. I can practice my faith. I can own guns if I wish and use them in hunting, target practice and even in self defence if need be. So I appologize if I offended you because I have pride in my country. And arrogance is not my motivation. And I personally think NAFTA is a joke. But only because I see jobs dissapearing from my area and moving down to Mexico because labor is cheaper.

I feel it's disrespectful when people ridicule the leader of the very nation they live in. President Bush has been like every other president that served before him. He was human. And in being such he made mistakes. People hate him because he lead us into a war that has cost a a few thousand lives. Funny thng is the presidents in the late 60s and early 70s didn't recieve this much heat over Vietnam. And it cost 58,000 American lives. I think it's hypocritical. Lincoln is hailed as a hero even though over half a million lives were lost during his presidency. These same people don't realize that if Kerry were elected, he's be doing exactly what President Bush is doing today. The only difference is he would be complaining about it.

And finally, I agree to a point. The U.S does need friends. But not in a way that our very existence depends on it. And it's hard to be willing to be friends when certain nations who wouldn't be here if American blood was sarificed for them stab us in the back. France and Germany being high on that list. American soldiers died to free France. And it was the American dollar that kept Germany from crumbling into chaos. Yes, other countries helped. But the heaviest burden was on us. The UN would also not be in existence today if it wasn't for the U.S. So, in your opinion, what else should the U.S do in order to make friends before this country says screw it and returns to Isolationism??
 
Dart said:
I feel it's disrespectful when people ridicule the leader of the very nation they live in. President Bush has been like every other president that served before him. He was human. And in being such he made mistakes. People hate him because he lead us into a war that has cost a a few thousand lives. Funny thng is the presidents in the late 60s and early 70s didn't recieve this much heat over Vietnam. And it cost 58,000 American lives. I think it's hypocritical. Lincoln is hailed as a hero even though over half a million lives were lost during his presidency. These same people don't realize that if Kerry were elected, he's be doing exactly what President Bush is doing today. The only difference is he would be complaining about it.

I have a right to question my government. The citizens are what make this country great, not always the leaders. I feel it's disrespectful that people feel Im not allowed to question the president. I didn't vote for him. I dont necessarily agree with all of his politics, so am I supposed to just sit back and let him do his thing? President Lincoln is considered a hero because of what he did for the rights of blacks back in those days. People didnt agree with him so we had a war over it. The point is it was the right thing to do since it involved our own people who he was helping. Wait hold on, are you positive that the presidents during the vietnam war didnt get this much heat? Are you sure? How is it hypocritical when people protested then and new generations are protesting now? So am I hypocritical because I didnt get a chance to live during that era? And are you 100% that Kerry would do the exact same thing? These arent the same two people, no Kerry wasnt going to be the greatest president but Im sure he would've taken a different path. Had he done the same thing as Bush then I would not like him either. My stance is, I dont like Bush because of his politics and the war, not because he is a Bush or because it's the "Cool" thing to do.
 
I do have a pride for my country. And that stemmed from the American Revolution. It was "us" against the world at the time.

Ok, first of all, you do realize the world wasn't against you, the British were. And at the time, you were British too, so basically it was a civil war. And at the time France and Britain were still great rivals, so the French helped you guys out a lot, so much so that the country was practically bankrupt by the end. This "us against the world" nonsense is just that, it was "13 British colonies + the French army vs. Great Britain." So if the source of your pride stems from a bunch of colonists, with the help of a foreign nation, revolting against their government it concerns me to hear you follow that up with comments like:

The U.S does need friends. But not in a way that our very existence depends on it

Because in fact, you're very existence is because of it. And also:

I feel it's disrespectful when people ridicule the leader of the very nation they live in.

Before the "freedom loving Americans" through off the "shackles of the oppressive British" they did a lot of ridiculing the British government. Perhaps I'm not reading the intent of your words, so correct me if I am wrong, but that to me is in direct contradiction with itself. Please elaborate so I understand why it was ok to ridicule the government, and even revolt against it, 300 years ago, but it is no longer ok to ridicule the government in the country that was born out of the aforementioned revolution.

People hate him because he lead us into a war that has cost a a few thousand lives.

Actually from what I understand that is merely the icing on the cake. People hate him because he looks out for his own interests, and the interests of the wealthy. His social policy is horrible, he doesn't listen to the needs of his people, and he seems to make mistakes all the time, not just every so often. He isn't fit to represent, let alone lead, the people.

American soldiers died to free France.

When Germany annexed the Rhineland what did America do? Nothing. When tanks tore through the Maginot Line and Paris fell, what did America do? Nothing. When England was being bombed by the Luftwaffe to near ruin, what did America do? Sent some supplies, at a "marginal" fee. It wasn't until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor that an American soldier died in WWII, and actually started to gather troops for an invasion of Europe. Real heroic, I can't understand why France wouldn't remember that to this day, perhaps 4 years of occupation with no sign of American involvement leaves a bigger impression... Oh and by the way, Canadian and British soldiers "helped out" in the freeing of France, if I recall correctly America was in charge of two beach heads on Normandy, the British were also in charge of two, and Canadians were in charge of one. We managed to stay friends with France, and last I heard they were on good terms with the British. Besides, that was a long time ago, what has America done for any country lately? Oh that's right, they're currently showing Iraq the joys of an occupation force, I bet they're overjoyed...

And it's hard to be willing to be friends when certain nations who wouldn't be here if American blood was sarificed for them stab us in the back.

Oh right, it's also quite heroic of you to expect something in return for your help. Go America...

The UN would also not be in existence today if it wasn't for the U.S. So, in your opinion, what else should the U.S do in order to make friends before this country says screw it and returns to Isolationism??

Well, you pointed out one problem the American government could be adressing:

I see jobs dissapearing from my area and moving down to Mexico because labor is cheaper.

Perhaps they could create more employment for jobs in America, distribute the wealth of the country a little more evenly, eliminate as much poverty as possible, get a national health care program going, and other various social reforms. Decreasing the military budget alone would provide a lot of money for such social programs. Right now America has the largest military budget in the world, it's unnecessary and people are affected negatively by it. They could use the money to provide aid to countries that need it, like India after the tsunami for example, or elsewhere in the world where people are suffering poverty, even within America would be a positive thing. Oh and it would also be nice if the US quit invading other countries and trying to impose their will on every other nation. If America could do some of this I'm sure they would appear a much better country in the eyes of other countries. You don't make friends by starting wars, especially when none of your current friends go to war with you.

Sorry about the length of the post. I'm also sorry about being as sarcastic as I was at times, I hope no one is offended and if I have any of my facts wrong please do point it out. Otherwise I look forward to spirited rebuttals.
 
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