Orange Box Price Drop? - And an updated comment

Bluevoodu

Bluevoodu

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I love the games in the Orange Box... but I am refusing to buy it till the price comes down.


I think $50 (IMO) would be justified if they had Counter Strike and Half Life 2: Death Match in the Orange Box as well...


What do you think? Will there be a price drop on this soon?


Post it up!

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I really doubt it considering they are releasing all three separately. I'm assuming Valve's strategy is to make Orange Box look like the better value based on the individual prices of the games themselves.
 
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I'd say so. It's expensive... but TF2 is worth it.

I kinda got it for dirt cheap, anyway. $10 for PC... friend works at EA. :p

And no, I'm not gonna tell him EA sucks. :lol
 
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kirbyrockz said:
I'd say so. It's expensive... but TF2 is worth it.

I kinda got it for dirt cheap, anyway. $10 for PC... friend works at EA. :p

And no, I'm not gonna tell him EA sucks. :lol
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Awww... hm... Can he get someone else that deal?!

:D

@ creepin... they already have them all released seperately.... for a crap load. Team Fortress 2 is $30 by itself... Portal is $20.
I bought a Counterstrike: Source, Day of Defeat Source, and Half-Life2 Deathmatch set... that was ALL $20 at best buy

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Bluevoodu said:
@ creepin... they already have them all released seperately.... for a crap load. Team Fortress 2 is $30 by itself... Portal is $20.
I bought a Counterstrike: Source, Day of Defeat Source, and Half-Life2 Deathmatch set... that was ALL $20 at best buy

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Exactly, so now Orange Box "seems" like a deal. Or at least that's what Valve wants you to think.
 
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I think it's probably the best value in gaming. For $50, you get five fantastic games and that is worth more than $50, IMO. It's the last game out there that needs a price drop.
 
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Homicidal Cherry53 said:
I think it's probably the best value in gaming. For $50, you get five fantastic games and that is worth more than $50, IMO. It's the last game out there that needs a price drop.
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BUT.. it's not 5 games. it's 5 mods, in reality... Half-Life 2 is a game. Episode 1 and 2 are add-ons to the story, but they do not provide anything additional in the sense of more weapons .. so technically... they aren't expansion packs.

Team Fortress 2 is a Mod... thats it... same as portal, Counter Strike, and half-life 2 deathmatch.

A MOD isn't worth $30 In my opinion. Maybe $10-15. Expansions are worth $15-25.

mods aren't full games or expansions, that's why I think they shouldn't be that expensive.

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Bluevoodu said:
Portal
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Portal isn't close to a mod. It uses the same game engine as Half-Life 2, is set in the same universe, but has vastly different gameplay elements. That usually isn't a characteristic I associate with a mod.
Bluevoodu said:
Episode 1 and 2 are add-ons to the story, but they do not provide anything additional in the sense of more weapons .. so technically... they aren't expansion packs.
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So you wouldn't pay for an extra 10 hours of Half-Life 2? Personally, I would pay a good $40 for those two and Half-Life 2 alone, considering you're basically getting 30 hours of one of the best games ever made.
Bluevoodu said:
Team Fortress 2 is a Mod
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Exactly what is it a mod of?
 
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Homicidal Cherry53 said:
Portal isn't close to a mod. It uses the same game engine as Half-Life 2, is set in the same universe, but has vastly different gameplay elements. That usually isn't a characteristic I associate with a mod.So you wouldn't pay for an extra 10 hours of Half-Life 2? Personally, I would pay a good $40 for those two and Half-Life 2 alone, considering you're basically getting 30 hours of one of the best games ever made.Exactly what is it a mod of?
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The original of Team Fortress is a mod. It was a mod of half-Life... it was also a mod (add-on) for Quake.

I could be incorrect on this, but I believe it was free for a long time. Even when they bundled it with Half-Life... it was technically free.

Portal... it is more of a mod... It's not a stand alone game, it's not an expansion pack.. because it is totally different. It uses Half-Life 2's engine and has changed the game characteristics. There were other half-Life 2 mods that did this... such as COUNTER STRIKE. Totally different game, just based on the Half-Life Engine... but you had to have Half-Life still installed to use it. Now w/ Counter-strike: Source, you do not. Day of Defeat was another Free add-on for Half-Life for a long time too... which we now pay for as well.

Episodes 1 ad 2 are just continuations of the story. I will agree the are worth money, but I wouldn't pay $40 for Episodes 1 and 2 and Half-Life 2. You have to remember, DAY 1... Half Life 2 was $50. It came with Half-Life 2 (longer than both Episodes combined), Counter-Strike: Source, and Half-Life 2 Deathmath. Those 3 games... on layunch day, $50... well that might have been closer to $60... but we are talking in 2004, 1st day.

We are coming up on 4 years of this game bundled with a few mods... sure, it is about the same deal now as it was back then, but I think 4 years later... they should offer all the mods in a bundle and charge $60. That's my opinion... but I think $50 for the Orange box is too much... and $30 for Team Fortress is definitely too much.

In my opinion... Half-Life 2 Deathmatch SHOULD NOT BE EXTRA... that should be included with Half-Life 2 WHEREVER you buy it in... in whatever bundle you buy that includes Half-Life 2.

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Bluevoodu said:
The original of Team Fortress is a mod. It was a mod of half-Life... it was also a mod (add-on) for Quake.
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I always thought it was a mod for Quake 3, or something to that effect, but Team Fortress 2 was built as its own game, not as a mod, like the original was.

Bluevoodu said:
Portal... it is more of a mod... It's not a stand alone game, it's not an expansion pack.. because it is totally different. It uses Half-Life 2's engine and has changed the game characteristics. There were other half-Life 2 mods that did this... such as COUNTER STRIKE. Totally different game, just based on the Half-Life Engine... but you had to have Half-Life still installed to use it. Now w/ Counter-strike: Source, you do not. Day of Defeat was another Free add-on for Half-Life for a long time too... which we now pay for as well.
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But Portal is a stand-alone game. It was developed by an entirely different team, and isn't even in the same genre as Half-Life 2. Hell, Portal is based off of a game that was built from the ground up by a bunch of college students as their graduation project. I would say the only thing it has in common with Half-Life 2 is that it uses the same engine and is in the same universe. To me, this is almost like calling Command & Conquer: Renegade a mod of Generals. They're in the same universe, yes, but they're in entirely different genres.

Bluevoodu said:
Episodes 1 ad 2 are just continuations of the story. I will agree the are worth money, but I wouldn't pay $40 for Episodes 1 and 2 and Half-Life 2. You have to remember, DAY 1... Half Life 2 was $50. It came with Half-Life 2 (longer than both Episodes combined), Counter-Strike: Source, and Half-Life 2 Deathmath. Those 3 games... on layunch day, $50... well that might have been closer to $60... but we are talking in 2004, 1st day.
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To be honest, I would have paid $50 just for Half-Life 2, day one. Even now, several years removed, if Half-Life 2 was still $50, I would buy it and consider it well worth the money. So, throw Portal, and 10 extra hours of Half-Life 2 into the mix, and put a $50 price tag on it, and I consider it a great value, consider all the hours of great gameplay I'm getting out of it. And if memory serves, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch was released on Steam several weeks after Half-Life 2's release. I don't think it was free either.
 
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I got it for $36 on eBay and it was worth every dime. Portal was too short but it was fun enough that I would play it over and over again. TF2 is a blast. I have yet to play HL2. Also, Amazon is selling it for $40.

Trust me, it's worth it.
 
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I'll be getting it after playing the demo, just to have a playable console version of Half Life 2. Great game, but really swirly on Xbox 1.
 
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Homicidal Cherry53 said:
I always thought it was a mod for Quake 3, or something to that effect, but Team Fortress 2 was built as its own game, not as a mod, like the original was.
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No. There were mods for Quake 1 as well. That's were Team Fortress technically originated... unless there was something TF was on before Quake.

But Portal is a stand-alone game. It was developed by an entirely different team, and isn't even in the same genre as Half-Life 2. Hell, Portal is based off of a game that was built from the ground up by a bunch of college students as their graduation project. I would say the only thing it has in common with Half-Life 2 is that it uses the same engine and is in the same universe. To me, this is almost like calling Command & Conquer: Renegade a mod of Generals. They're in the same universe, yes, but they're in entirely different genres.
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Same with Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat. They were all made by other groups like that. and... Renegade isn't even close to being a mod of generals. A mod of generals would be putting Starcraft characters in generals... Renegade is an FPS, it's not even in the same vein as C&C... so it is it's own stand alone top to bottom game.

To be honest, I would have paid $50 just for Half-Life 2, day one. Even now, several years removed, if Half-Life 2 was still $50, I would buy it and consider it well worth the money. So, throw Portal, and 10 extra hours of Half-Life 2 into the mix, and put a $50 price tag on it, and I consider it a great value, consider all the hours of great gameplay I'm getting out of it. And if memory serves, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch was released on Steam several weeks after Half-Life 2's release. I don't think it was free either.
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Well ... if it was released on Steam a couple weeks later, I am not sure how I got the bundle pack then, but I did. It was the collectors edition.



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I think the problem here is that we aren't seeing the Source engine for what it was intended to be. When we buy a Source game, we basically get access to the Source engine (the proof of this is the devkit access after purchase) and get a game that works with it. That's just how it works. Each game works in a completely different way (save for sequels) but uses the same engine. That's all. It's the way Valve has wanted things to go with its engine... they aren't mods; they're just games all using the same engine, is all.

What it comes down to is this -- are you, Valve's customer, willing to move past calling Source games "mods" just because they use the same engine? That's the winning question, here. Some may call them standalone games (as I do), and some will call them mods. It really comes down to your opinion here, so I'll leave it at that.

To be fair, though, TF and CS did start out as mods in the HL1 engine (TF goes back to Quake though). But that's it... they're not mods, they're full games with different development teams. They're developed by the pros, and as such the quality is worth the full price.

And if memory serves, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch was released on Steam several weeks after Half-Life 2's release. I don't think it was free either.
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You are correct on both statements.
 
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Bluevoodu said:
Same with Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat. They were all made by other groups like that.
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The game that Portal came from wasn't built on the Source engine though. When it was first designed, there wasn't a single thought of the game having any relations to Valve, the Source Engine, or Half-Life. Day of Defeat and Counter-Strike were both built, using the Half-Life engine, and couldn't be played without the original Half-Life. I think there is an obvious difference between the two of those.

Bluevoodu said:
and... Renegade isn't even close to being a mod of generals. A mod of generals would be putting Starcraft characters in generals... Renegade is an FPS, it's not even in the same vein as C&C... so it is it's own stand alone top to bottom game.
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Portal too is not even in the same vein as Half-Life. Portal is a puzzle game, Half-Life is a shooter. They are two entirely different genres, just like Renegade and Generals are.
 
ok ok ok... so I get impatient and buy the Orange Box... and lo and behold... what happens?!

The Orange Box drops to $40 on Steam. Yes, you can now get the Orange Box for $40 on Steam.

They must have saw my post and agreed with me.

I wonder if this price drop coincided with the price drop of Team Fortress 2... speculation it is.

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Bluevoodu said:
I wonder if this price drop coincided with the price drop of Team Fortress 2... speculation it is.

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Yes. Actually, it's because of the Orange Box price drop that TF2 dropped in price. Portal and HL2EP2 are now $19.99 and $14.99, respectively.
 
kirbyrockz said:
Yes. Actually, it's because of the Orange Box price drop that TF2 dropped in price. Portal and HL2EP2 are now $19.99 and $14.99, respectively.
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I need anger management for this one :lol

I hate when games drop in price after I get them

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