Why do people want to see Nintendo fail?

Everyone is always pronouncing doom for Nintendo.

Example:
"The Revolution will be Nintendo's last console."

"Nintendo is going the way of Sega."

"The PSP will kill Nintendo's handheld domination."

All speculation either way, but why do people keep making statements like that?

Why do people want Nintendo to fail? What would be the point?

A lot of people say they would like Nintendo to drop out of the console business and become a third party so that they wouldn't have to buy as many systems.

But for one thing, who is to say that Nintendo would develop for just one system should they become third party? Sega didn't. Sega games are on the GC, PS2, and XBOX. And they aren't all the same. Panzer Dragoon Orta is only on the XBOX. Shining Tears is only on the PS2. Phantasy Star III is only on the GC.

Secondly, Nintendo stated that if they left the console business, they would leave gaming, period. That could of course be a simple PR statement and nothing else, but what if they aren't bluffing? Would you like to never play a Zelda or Mario game again? I don't think I would.

I visit a lot of message boards and yes, I do see Nintendo fanboys that scare even me with their fanaticism. But for the most part, they stay on the GC boards and defend the GC if something comes up, but they're not going over to the XBOX and PS2 boards and starting crap. The same can not always be said of Sony and XBOX fanboys.

Why is there so much negativity towards Nintendo????

I wish I knew. I like the system. Its not my favorite. But its not even close to being the worse. I for one want Nintendo to succeed, because
1) I like the franchises that they have. Zelda is one of my all time favorites.
2) Competition is good. It pushes other systems to try to do better.

Hopefully Nintendo can get some 3rd party support for their next system. Thats really what Nintendo needs right now. They can only go so far without it.

Well as far as third party support, the Gamecube is already doing better than the N64 ever did.

The DS is also doing really well. Hopefully some of that will carry over to the Revolution.

Mai Valentine said:

Well as far as third party support, the Gamecube is already doing better than the N64 ever did.

The DS is also doing really well. Hopefully some of that will carry over to the Revolution.

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True but I still think they can do better.

Why is there so much negativity towards Nintendo????

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Because they stole $350 from me with promises of realistic Zeldas, Raven Blade's, Donkey Kong Racing, Pikmin's without time limits, and Final Fantasies like the other systems get. Then they tried to sucker another $200 out of me just to get the most out of my GC games with their ingenious "connectivity" approach. Then they claimed to be going "online", but they only ever produced one game that could do so!

I am angry because I am tired of being lied to. All I wanted was true-to-the-franchise sequels, some wacky new games, and most of the good games that the other systems got. I haven't really gotten any of these.

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Because they stole $350 from me with promises of realistic Zeldas, Raven Blade's, Donkey Kong Racing, Pikmin's without time limits, and Final Fantasies like the other systems get. Then they tried to sucker another $200 out of me just to get the most out of my GC games with their ingenious "connectivity" approach. Then they claimed to be going "online", but they only ever produced one game that could do so!

I am angry because I am tired of being lied to. All I wanted was true-to-the-franchise sequels, some wacky new games, and most of the good games that the other systems got. I haven't really gotten any of these.

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Well your realistic Zelda is coming. They never promised a realistic zelda....... people took their opinions and thought Nintendo was doing that.

The GBA connectivity was pretty cool on certain games.

FFCC was a great game. It just didn't catch on. yet again, blame square for not bringing out a normaly FF title.

They were testing the waters with only PSO... it didn't go well, so they canned it.

I have yet to figure out why people want Nintendo to fail, mai. Everyone.... and I mean EVERYONE I know (besides Stealth) cannot come up with a good reason. They always say "I dunno... it just sucks."

This is a big reason the cube didn't get many 3rd party games as well. Honestly, people don't believe in the system and neither do developers. There is something about Nintendo that developers and people think negatively about. But no one can really put their finger down on it.
I asked developers (a few) why they aren't putting games on the Gamecube.. "They don't sell well on the gamecube." yet, their games are flopping on other systems as well. Maybe its because Nintendo is still the most well known.... or because they were #1 in the industry so long.

OR maybe its because people are reminded of the "awesome snes years" and feel disappointed that Nintendo cannot be like they were then. Sony is definitely not near that cool... no one will be able tobe like the Snes.


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I don't know why, but it seems that it's just the "cool" thing to say. I'm fine with people being against Nintendo if they have good reasons, but Stealths is the only fair reasoning i've heard.

I'll just go with my normal answer - people are stupid.

Retro Hero said:

I don't know why, but it seems that it's just the "cool" thing to say. I'm fine with people being against Nintendo if they have good reasons, but Stealths is the only fair reasoning i've heard.

I'll just go with my normal answer - people are stupid.

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Seriously I wish more people gave it a chance. Its ok if you dont have money to buy all three systems or that you dont have the time to play the games. Or if another system has games that you prefer, thats fine too. But just to say that it sucks without playing it is pretty dumb.

People at my school get laughed at if they say that they have a Gamecube....it just doesn't seem to be "in". Maybe its the online play, maybe its the games, I dont know. People around here just don't like it. I, personally, think that it is probably the lack of decent multiplayer in the majority of the games. I mean, some SSBM and Timesplitters 2 may be fun for a while, but its really only for 4 people. You cant have a LAN party with 4 player games, IMO.

What I do, and many others at my school, go home, and play with friends from school online, and dont even have to move. Can't do that with Smash Bros. Sure, PSO was online, but it was expensive, and there was no headset, which is another great feature of Xbox live.

I believe that right now the lack of much GC support is do solely to no muliplayer connectivity. That is why I switched to Xbox......I'm a multiplayer gamer.

Well your realistic Zelda is coming. They never promised a realistic zelda....... people took their opinions and thought Nintendo was doing that.

The GBA connectivity was pretty cool on certain games.

FFCC was a great game. It just didn't catch on. yet again, blame square for not bringing out a normaly FF title.

They were testing the waters with only PSO... it didn't go well, so they canned it.

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You've all seemed to recognise that I made my point, so I won't beat a dead horse here. I just want a chance to counter BV a bit .

The Spaceworld 2000 demo showed everyone what Zelda could (and finally will) be. Nintendo could have at any time cleared up any misconceptions about what the new Zelda would look like, but they didn't. They let everyone believe that if they bought the GC they would get a Zelda game along the lines of the demo they saw. The demo was misleading, most likely on purpose.

GBA connectivity has some nice features, but they're definitely not worth the price of a GBA to get. And when the "extra features" are just extra levels or gadgets, I feel ripped off when they aren't included in the original game.

FF:CC was a good game with a terrible, unnecessary, and expensive gimmick. Mandatory use of the GBA instead of controllers? Gimme a break. I don't see how people could complain about a $50 annual online fee and not complain about $200 controllers. The game was also released conveniently around the time the different colored GBA SP's came out, once again, most likely on purpose.

PSO failed because it was a poor game, tracking down BBA's was next to impossible, communicating without a headset/keyboard was frustrating, and the monthly online fee was outrageous. It didn't fail because people didn't want to play online. If Nintendo really wanted to "test the waters" they would have made SSB:M online, or even Mario Kart: Double Dash online, which everyone was secretly hoping would happen.

that would have been owesome to have mario cart online

stealth toilet said:

You've all seemed to recognise that I made my point, so I won't beat a dead horse here. I just want a chance to counter BV a bit  .

The Spaceworld 2000 demo showed everyone what Zelda could (and finally will) be. Nintendo could have at any time cleared up any misconceptions about what the new Zelda would look like, but they didn't. They let everyone believe that if they bought the GC they would get a Zelda game along the lines of the demo they saw. The demo was misleading, most likely on purpose.

GBA connectivity has some nice features, but they're definitely not worth the price of a GBA to get. And when the "extra features" are just extra levels or gadgets, I feel ripped off when they aren't included in the original game.

FF:CC was a good game with a terrible, unnecessary, and expensive gimmick. Mandatory use of the GBA instead of controllers? Gimme a break. I don't see how people could complain about a $50 annual online fee and not complain about $200 controllers. The game was also released conveniently around the time the different colored GBA SP's came out, once again, most likely on purpose.

PSO failed because it was a poor game, tracking down BBA's was next to impossible, communicating without a headset/keyboard was frustrating, and the monthly online fee was outrageous. It didn't fail because people didn't want to play online. If Nintendo really wanted to "test the waters" they would have made SSB:M online, or even Mario Kart: Double Dash online, which everyone was secretly hoping would happen.

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Pso never failed. the cube has the only version that allows OFFLINE 4 player split screen.
BBA's are very easy to find... they were even 2 months after they were released. You can get them from Nintendo directly @ $35 :
There is an Ascii keyboard controller as well. I guess we can use your argument for online PSP games. There is no keyboard option for that at all. The fees are the same as every other MMORPG out there.

FFCC *regardless* of the gimmick is a great game.

GBA connectivity has some nice features, but they're definitely not worth the price of a GBA to get. And when the "extra features" are just extra levels or gadgets, I feel ripped off when they aren't included in the original game.

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~ WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR HIM,JOHNNY?! NO KIDDING! Anyone who bought a GBA for cube "connectivity" is an IDIOT!!
yeah.... how many people do you ask: "hey... why did you get your GBA?" And they say "BECAUSE it connects to the GAmecube, duh."
:lol The GBA has a killer library, THATS why people bought it. The Connectivity was just an extra cool perk.
And btw.. some of the extra weapons and camera features in the splinter cell games were pretty cool with the GBA. And Nintendo did a good job of the connectity on many games. Hey, Nintendo didn't have to do that, they could have just kept the GBA as is.... but they found something extra to do with it.

BTW... they NEVER said that Zelda was the new Zelda. They were showing off the cube hardware. AND OF COURSE they are not going to state "This IS or this IS NOT, the next Zelda." Thats normal. Every company does that. Hey, I feel for it too at first, but you know what... we got the Wind Waker. I am very happy with that Zelda. Now we get to have another cool Zelda coming out, that looks killer.


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Everyone that complains about the Gamecube...just go sell the thing if you're not happy with it. Geez. I don't understand people who buy the Gamecube thinking it's going to be a PS2 or XBOX clone. Why would you expect something drastically different from previous generations? I can't speak for every GC owner, obviously, but I bought a GCN to play the best games in the world...Nintendo games.

Fans: We want more third party support!
Nintendo: Okay...lets see what we can do.

"Namco develops Mario BaseBall
Konami develops DDR Mario"

Fans: STOP WHORING MY FRANCHISE!! 
Nintendo:   :-\

I have a feeling many people will change their tune with the release of Zelda, though. Yesterday I counted the pre-orders at my GameStop, and we were already at 87. That's more pre-orders for one GC game than all of the PSP games combined. By the time the game actually comes out, it should be at Halo 2-esque numbers.

Fans: We want more third party support!
Nintendo: Okay...lets see what we can do.

"Namco develops Mario BaseBall
Konami develops DDR Mario"

Fans: STOP WHORING MY FRANCHISE!!
Nintendo: :-\

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Third Party support doesn't mean Nintendo games made by other companies, it means completely unique games made by completely unique companies. Why would I be content with third parties just making games that Nintendo would? The whole point of more third party support is to get a larger game library that offers unique and different games. Taking an already existing game and slapping a Nitendo franchise into it is just lazy, unnecessary, and a little patronizing.

Pso never failed. the cube has the only version that allows OFFLINE 4 player split screen.
BBA's are very easy to find... they were even 2 months after they were released. You can get them from Nintendo directly @ $35
There is an Ascii keyboard controller as well. I guess we can use your argument for online PSP games. There is no keyboard option for that at all. The fees are the same as every other MMORPG out there.

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As far as I recall the Ascii Keyboard was in Japan only. Online PSP games that I've seen haven't required the need for communication as much as an MMORPG does. As for whether or not PSO failed, you were the one that said that it was used to "test the online waters", and that it didn't go well so they canned it. I have never seen a BBA in any retail videogame store, ever. I'm sure I could find one if I looked hard enough, but that's not the point.

FFCC *regardless* of the gimmick is a great game.

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Not really. The game was built with multiplayer in mind, so the single player is pretty mundane. And if you want to talk about the game's "great" multiplayer then the GBA gimmick comes into play.

~ WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR HIM,JOHNNY?! NO KIDDING! Anyone who bought a GBA for cube "connectivity" is an IDIOT!!
yeah.... how many people do you ask: "hey... why did you get your GBA?" And they say "BECAUSE it connects to the GAmecube, duh."
The GBA has a killer library, THATS why people bought it. The Connectivity was just an extra cool perk.
And btw.. some of the extra weapons and camera features in the splinter cell games were pretty cool with the GBA. And Nintendo did a good job of the connectity on many games. Hey, Nintendo didn't have to do that, they could have just kept the GBA as is.... but they found something extra to do with it.

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Nintendo also didn't have to attatch a $200 price tag to get those extra features. They could have just put them right in the game, or better yet, use their time to create some other features that wouldn't require buying their other products. They didn't make the "extras" just because they found a neat new use for the GBA. They did it because they wanted everyone that owned a GC to own a GBA, and vice versa. It was a cash grab, plain and simple.

BTW... they NEVER said that Zelda was the new Zelda. They were showing off the cube hardware. AND OF COURSE they are not going to state "This IS or this IS NOT, the next Zelda." Thats normal. Every company does that. Hey, I feel for it too at first, but you know what... we got the Wind Waker. I am very happy with that Zelda. Now we get to have another cool Zelda coming out, that looks killer.

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I stand with what I said originally. It was intentionally misleading. Not many companies show demos of franchises they have and then take the game into a complete 180 and say "well, we never said it was going to be like that." Especially when it comes to key franchises companies usually don't jerk their customers around.

Why would you expect something drastically different from previous generations?

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I didn't, but that's what I ended up with. Cel-shaded Zelda, Donkey Kong the rhythm game, Starfox running around with a bazooka, this is not what I expected at all when I bought my GC. And in fact, its not what I wanted at all when I bought my GC.

Starfox.. I'll give you that one. Man what a disappointment :'(

I really wanted a flying Starfox.... they messed up on that.

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I didn't, but that's what I ended up with. Cel-shaded Zelda, Donkey Kong the rhythm game, Starfox running around with a bazooka, this is not what I expected at all when I bought my GC. And in fact, its not what I wanted at all when I bought my GC

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Wind Waker did many things correct yet it is constantly being bashed for not being more of the same. Which is odd considering that everyone blames Nintendo for not changing its franchises. For the love of god people make up your minds, do you want changes or just more of the same?

honestly i liked starfox better on 64. man i must have beat that game a hundred times

For the love of god people make up your minds, do you want changes or just more of the same?

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I've answered this before but you seem to insist on bringing it up, so here it is, plain and simple. In my very first post I said

"All I wanted was true-to-the-franchise sequels, some wacky new games, and most of the good games that the other systems got."

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If Nintendo wants to get creative, try new things, explore the system, their imaginations, then that's great, more power to them. But don't experiment with existing franchises. Give the fans of the franchises what they want, and what they expect, but do an amazing job of it to blow them away and raise the bar for the next sequel. Nintendo should use their creative and unique ideas for new franchises and then if they are successful they can improve upon that idea in sequels to that game (i.e. Pikmin 1 & 2).

Nintendo should not dissapoint customers by making a completely unique game, and then slapping on a Nintendo franchise to make it sell. If they're going to call it a Starfox game then make it a Starfox game. I would have been less dissapointed if there simply was no Starfox game on the GC than getting two versions of it that really shouldn't have used the franchise at all.

It's easy to say that, but look at how few original games sell well. All of the big hits this generation have been sequels or games from existing franchises. Original IPs like Pikmin, Ico, Katamari Damacy, Eternal Darkness, etc. all achieved critical success but bombed in sales. And to these companies, sales are all that matter. People are too afraid to try new things and that's why game developers re-use characters and franchises. And even then, it's not a guaranteed hit. I imagine if more people gave games like those a chance instead of passing them over for the newest Madden, there would be more original games coming from everyone, not just Nintendo.

its funny that the DS is now outselling every other system combined

people are stupid to think that Nintendo is going out of business. as long as there are video game there will be Nintendo.