casual gamers like Star Fox Assault

Mai Valentine

Mai Valentine

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I put in a copy of Star Fox Assault at the Gamecube at work to promote it (And also in the hopes that I would get a chance to play it on lunch or break, or before or after work ;) ).

So far it's been going very well! There's always someone on it. Every time I have an opportunity to play it, I can't, because someone is already playing. :lol

Both the Arwing and on-foot missions seem to be a hit. Today I wanted to play it on lunch and I watched this kid play it for like half an hour before I was like, "Hey, can I have a turn?" And then while I played he stood behind me and waited for me to get off so he could play again.

I only got through 2 missions but I really enjoyed it. I wish I could have played one of the ground missions...they seem pretty cool looking. I will probably rent the game tomorrow if I can find it.
 
You know, it's not that I think the game would be bad, I just don't think they should have done this to a Starfox game. Starfox is ment to kick ass in the sky's, not walking around.
 
That's true, but from my observations, I think that the people who are the most disappointed with Nintendo franchise games this generation (including Star Fox Assault) are Nintendo fans who are holding them up against the previous games in the series. People who have never played them before enjoy them because they don't have those ridiculously high standards. People who played Star Fox 64 don't like Star Fox Assault because it doesn't have enough Arwing missions, but people who haven't played SF64 enjoy SFAssault either way, because they don't have anything to compare it to.

To me it just illustrates how hypocritical people are towards Nintendo. They want Nintendo to do different things, but every game they've done this generation ends up a victim of "darned if you do, darned if you don't." They add new elements to Star Fox Assault, but all SF fans want is more Arwing missions. Basically, they want it to be more like Star Fox 64. But you know if they had included those, there would be morons out there going, "It's too much like Star Fox 64."

I know I've argued this before, but I still feel it's a valid point.
 
People who have never played them before enjoy them because they don't have those ridiculously high standards
I think we should. These games is all Nintendo has got. Just look at the early post on StarFox Assult, everyone was wanting it and then...
 
Well the thing that bothers me most is that people compare Nintendo games to other Nintendo games, and if they aren't up to par, the game "sucks."

When in reality, the game might be better than anything put out by another company, and it might be a pretty good game on its own merits. Star Fox Assault, for example, got a 7 from IGN. No, that's not as good as an 8 or 9 or 10 score, but it could have been worse. The point scale goes from 1-10, after all. SFAssault, if it was truly bad, if it truly "sucked", wouldn't have gotten a 7, which is above average. Suckage would be like a 4 or below.

Another good example would be Wind Waker, which actually did score perfect 10s from some gaming magazines, but somehow it "sucks" because it's "not as good as" OoT. Maybe some don't personally like it, or think it's as good, but it's not because it's a genuinely bad game.
 
Well the thing that bothers me most is that people compare Nintendo games to other Nintendo games, and if they aren't up to par, the game "sucks."
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If Nintendo doesn't want gamers to compare their new games with previous installments of a franchise, then they shouldn't use the franchise, period. If they want to make a game about a space pilot who flies for some missions, but is also a bazooka wielding soldier, fantastic, they should go ahead and make it. But if they are making a game that uses the characters, vehicles, style, etc., of a franchise then that game should be true to that franchise. Don't call it a Starfox game if its not a Starfox game and then people won't compare it to Starfox. If they are making a Starfox game then it should be for the fans of the series, and should be held to comparsion with previous installments of the series.
 
LinkTriforceGC said:
You know, it's not that I think the game would be bad, I just don't think they should have done this to a Starfox game. Starfox is ment to kick butt in the sky's, not walking around.
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But that's not for us to decide. That's all up to the developer. We may not be happy with it, and people can show it by not buying the game, but as far as we know, it may be that they've always wanted to include on-foot missions in Star Fox and simply didn't have the technology to implement it.

For example, people complained about the ground missions in Star Fox Adventures and they still weren't taken out for SFAssault. Perhaps they want them in there for whatever reason.

I'm just trying to see both sides of this. Personally, I really enjoy SFAssault. I've only played two missions but I can already tell that it's a lot better than Star Fox Adventures. All I've been thinking about all day is buying SFAssault on payday. :D
 
What's so wrong with having StarFox (Link, Mario, etc.) wander around and do something different once in awhile? Sheesh people get over it.

Mai, I totally agree with what you say. To me it seems nearly impossible that StarFox Assault (Mario Sunshine, etc.) could live up to their predecessors. If they try something new people moan...if they do the same thing people moan. Unfortunately the people that complain are the people who are the loudest I think.
 
Here's my thing.

I've played a little of Star Fox (SNES).
I've never played Star Fox 64.
I played and hated Star Fox Adventures (GC).

So when I play Star Fox Assault, I like it. It's a hell of a lot better than SFAdventures, and I don't have to compare it to SF64.
 
You know, it's not that I think the game would be bad, I just don't think they should have done this to a Starfox game. Starfox is ment to kick butt in the sky's, not walking around.


But that's not for us to decide. That's all up to the developer. We may not be happy with it, and people can show it by not buying the game, but as far as we know, it may be that they've always wanted to include on-foot missions in Star Fox and simply didn't have the technology to implement it.
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Yes, it is for us to decide. We are the consumer. Their jobs exist because we pay them for their products. They are obligated to give us what we want, not tell us what we want. I am not alone when I say that I wanted a true to the franchise Starfox game, and because this game is not I am not going to buy it. That makes perfect and absolute sense for a capitalist society. As you yourself said, we will show them what we want by not buying this game. Unfortuneatly, Nintendo is insistently stubborn, and it may be awhile before they do give us what we want.

If they try something new people moan...if they do the same thing people moan.
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I haven't heard one complaint about the upcoming Zelda. They're doing the "same thing" that they did with OOT, and people love it. The problem with Nintendo is that when it is appropriate to change the franchise, they don't do it, and when it is appropriate to leave it as it was, they change it.

So when I play Star Fox Assault, I like it. It's a hell of a lot better than SFAdventures, and I don't have to compare it to SF64.
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If you like SFAssault, and hated SFAdventures, then do yourself a favor and buy Starfox 64 instead of either of those. It basically takes the good part of SFAssault, and doesn't take anything from SFAdventures, thus it is an extremely fun game.
 
stealth toilet said:
If you like SFAssault, and hated SFAdventures, then do yourself a favor and buy Starfox 64 instead of either of those. It basically takes the good part of SFAssault, and doesn't take anything from SFAdventures, thus it is an extremely fun game.
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But see, what I hated about Star Fox Adventures was the Arwing missions! They were so disjointed and out of place, and I didn't have fun with any of them, especially the last battle with Andross. I actually really enjoyed the on-foot stuff.

Star Fox Assault takes both of those elements and makes them work. That's why I like it.

I will probably get Star Fox 64 as well, but I'm not going to get rid of SFAssault. Who says that I can't enjoy both?

Honestly, some people act is if they will be betraying SF64 by enjoying SFAssault. ::)
 
But see, what I hated about Star Fox Adventures was the Arwing missions! They were so disjointed and out of place, and I didn't have fun with any of them, especially the last battle with Andross.
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Agreed. Those flying missions were out of place, added at the last second, and sucked anyway. Like I said, SF64 takes the good from SFAssault, and nothing from SFAdventures.

Honestly, some people act is if they will be betraying SF64 by enjoying SFAssault.
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Its not really betraying, persay, but I would definitely use that word. In fact, yes, from now on, anyone who buys, likes, or even plays SFAssault is betraying the glory that once was Starfox.

Seriously, if you like SFAssault, you will love SF64 and understand what I'm talking about. If not, it will only be to prove me wrong, or if for some other reason you can not see the beauty that is SF64, then you are sorely missing out. But if you want to waste money and time on a game that was done much better several years ago, by all means, go right ahead.
 
Seriously, if you like SFAssault, you will love SF64 and understand what I'm talking about. If not, it will only be to prove me wrong, or if for some other reason you can not see the beauty that is SF64, then you are sorely missing out. But if you want to waste money and time on a game that was done much better several years ago, by all means, go right ahead.
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I get what you are saying, but here's my question: WHAT'S WRONG WITH LIKING BOTH?? Seriously.

That's what I mean by betraying. It's like people can't comprehend that someone could enjoy both SF64 and Star Fox Assault. SF64 for the awesome Arwing missions and SFAssault for the ground missions.

By your logic, I should hate Mario Kart Double Dash because it's not as good as Mario Kart 64. But DD added some new elements that I do enjoy (co-op, for example), so I can enjoy both and not feel like I wasted money getting an identical game.
 
I hate MK: DD because it sucks compared to MK64. Its not a bad game in its own right, but things I wanted to see improved weren't at all, and the overall feel of the game was just, meh. The only reason I "hate" it is because I bought it when it came out, realized I'd rather be playing MK64 instead, and paid $70 to figure that out.

I suppose if you really want to you could like both, I just don't see why you would. I mean, you've got your SF64 which is fun, and then you've got your crappy version of SF64 which isn't fun. I guess just knowing how good SFAssault could have been had Nintendo not tried to get so "creative" with it is what bugs me about the whole situation. I mean, when SFAdventures came out people were screaming and moaning and complaining that they wanted a traditional Starfox game. So Nintendo started production on one, and then somewhere down the line the decision to take it in a new direction was made, and what came out was SFAdventures 2 with slightly more emphasis on the flying missions.

That's why people are so pissed off about this whole thing. Because initially we actually thought we were going to get what we wanted, and out comes SFAssualt which may be a good game in its own right, but also pretty much affirms that we're not gonna get the Starfox game we wanted on the GC.
 
Is anyone going to step up to the plate and actually try Star Fox Assault before giving their final verdict?

As far as I know, me and Kirby are the only ones who have actually played it.

You already know that I like it, and Kirby said:

The single was fine. Just fine. Only 3 pure arwing missions. The rest was on foot.
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There was no indication that he was being sarcastic.

Play magazine gave it an 8/10, and the guy who did the review is a hardcore Nintendo fan that has played SF64.

It just seems like you guys are too quick to just blow it off without even trying it.
 
I'd rather spend my money on games I actually want to play, not games I feel obligated to play because its really not as bad as I think. I'm sure its a fine game, as Kirby said, but there are many other games out there that are more than just a fine game.
 
I'm not talking about buying it, though. I mean just renting it, or playing a friend's copy, or checking it out on the newest kiosk demo disc. Or wait until it drops in price. :)
 
Ya, I meant renting too. There are other games I'd rent before SFAssault. We don't have anything close to kiosk near where I live, so that's not gonna happen. The inevitable price drop, well, I might check it out then. But until then I shall not betray Starfox 64, :lol.
 
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