Darn You Minnesota!

Nobodies_Heartless

By Pendragon's sword the Dark shall fall.
So I got this in my email a few minutes ago:
"Washington, D.C. (June 7, 2006) -- The computer and video game industry filed suit yesterday in Minnesota Federal District Court, asking that the State's new video game law be overturned, the Entertainment Software Association announced today. Similar laws have been struck down by six courts in five years, including the Eighth Circuit which governs Minnesota, costing taxpayers thousands of dollars in legal fees.

"The bill's tortured effort to end run the First Amendment by punishing kids directly fails under the Constitution because children have rights under the First Amendment, like all other citizens. The State is attempting to impose liability on children because they know that courts have consistently held that they cannot penalize retailers. We believe that the courts will agree that fining children violates the First Amendment as well," said Doug Lowenstein, president of the ESA, the trade group representing U.S. computer and video game publishers. "If this law is implemented, it will not only limit First Amendment rights for Minnesota's residents, it will create a huge amount of confusion for retailers, parents, and children. I'm confident the court will affirm our position given the rulings on similar statutes in other jurisdictions."

The bill would fine children under age seventeen $25 for buying or renting video games rated M for mature or AO for adults only. Stores would also have to post signs in large font drawing attention to the restrictions. Attempts were made, but ultimately not included in the bill, to penalize retailers who sell or rent such video games to young people.

The ESA argues that this bill is an unenforceable effort to substitute the government's judgment for parental supervision. Lowenstein said that the industry's products were being unreasonably and unfairly singled out, saying that parents, not government or industry, must be the gatekeepers on what comes in the home.

"Legislators in the state of Minnesota have enacted a video game restriction law that they apparently do not want enforced and understand cannot constitutionally be enforced," noted Bo Andersen, President of the Entertainment Merchants Association. "Unfortunately, as a result of the legislature threatening to impose penalties on the children of Minnesota, it will be the taxpayers of the state who pay the penalty when this law is overturned, as it must be."

"In 2005, the average game buyer was 40 and the average game player was 33," said Lowenstein. "When you take that and the fact that this bill is virtually unenforceable into consideration, there is no question in my mind that this bill will be thrown out. How is it possible for retailers to collect $25 from children? The fact is that it would be far more productive for all parties -- industry, retailers, government, parent groups, health groups -- to work together to educate parents about the ESRB ratings and content descriptors and the parental controls available in all next generation consoles."

The ESA noted that both parents and retailers are already doing a good job in monitoring what games kids purchase. According to the ESA, parents are involved in the purchase or rental of games 89% of the time, and 87% of the time children receive their parent's permission before purchasing or renting a video game. Moreover, with the strong support of ESA, leading retailers have already implemented systems to prevent the sale of Mature-rated games to persons under 17. In fact, the National Institute on Media and the Family found, prior to full implementation of these new enforcement systems, that retailers prevented the sale of Mature-rated video games to minors 66% of the time. All games are clearly rated with both age and content information through the Entertainment Software Rating Board system (www.ESRB.org).

The ESA is the U.S. association dedicated to serving the business and public affairs needs of the companies publishing interactive games for video game consoles, handheld devices, personal computers, and the Internet. ESA members collectively account for more than 90 percent of the $7 billion in entertainment software sales in the U.S. in 2005, and billions more in export sales of entertainment software. For more information about the ESA, please visit www.theESA.com."


Okay besides the fact that I feel that the ESA was being kinda crappy about the tax payers dollars, and seemingly totally disregarding the fact the it would cost a lot in court fees, I totally agree with them. It is totally illogical to fine children money for buying a game. Plus I seriously believe that not a lot of parents are saying "Okay Jimmy/Susie he's 50 dollars go buy a game!" they run off, being twelve, and try to buy God of war. A) Most parents are stupid B) Most kids would convince their parents to buy it for them C) You can't even go and buy WHITE OUT anymore without getting your ID checked. So would it really be that big of an issue?
 
the courts should be concentrating their efforts on other affairs, this seems like a waste of time
 
Hey I live in Minnesota! But...I think that would be just retarted to punish the kids, it's not their fault they are the target market for GTA and other such M rated games. Absurd I tell ya'!
 
I like the bill to be honest, if the game is over the age limit, you should be fined! Shame on your parents for not monitoring what games you play! That's what's wrong with this country, the parents don't care! They should understand more about you, then let some teacher or form of media teach you the facts of life, when it's really your parents.

If the commericals for the game and the actual game itself is targeting you, then ask permission from your parents before you purchase the game, simple as that. The rating system is as equal as a movie rating, simple and to the point. It's in black and white people

This bill is enforced due to parents not caring in my honest opinion, it's gotten out of hand. Look at what happened because of it! These rules are enforced after so many kids keep screwing it up for the rest of you, so you all get punished for it, so that future kids won't end up like them.

FOR EXAMPLE like curfew hours, a few kids out in the middle of the night around 10 or 11pm, raise some hell...then the rest of the nieghborhood kids are punished for it!

Heck at local malls in some parts of America, including my city will FINE you $100 if you underaged and are left in a mall without a parent supervision!

You can curse Minnesota all you want, but the fact remains, this crap has gotten out of hand. I'm glad they have taken control finally.
 
I personally haven't even heard a lot of horror stories about CHILDREN buying games that they aren't allowed to. It's the PARENTS who rush out and buy it FOR them. As I said before, most store clerks know better fater letting it slide ONCE than their manager spit fire a brimstone at them for it.
Seriously, I here more about the politiciains fretting voer it than it actually happeneing.
 
Well I'm sure you've seen the news lately, we got Hillary Clinton and more senators attacking this issue then a fat boy camp at a McDonald's for godsakes
 
Who said anything about TV? When I say News, I say all forms of media. Pick up a news paper, visit your local news website, much like you are doing now.

I hate when people say that, you say "Yeah it was on the news" they automatically assume it's the TV. It's 2006, we got millions of ways of finding out how things go down in our World besides the TV
 
It's force of habit for me. A lot of my friends don't have the internet, and just as many don't have TV. It's all in behaviour patterns lovely.

"It's 2006, we got millions of ways of finding out how things go down in our World besides the TV"

Yes, but it is usually the primary source for a lot of people. I remember back when 9/11 hit. Most people would be too glued to CNN to check any websites or anything.
 
No, you wanna feel older, ma'am

It's a bill that looks silly but enforced due to consumers abusing the rating system by ignoring it so long.
 
Nobodies_Heartless said:
But I still say the problem is the parents buying their kids the inappropriate games! Not the kids actually buying them.

yes, but you should hear the parents excuses. 8 years of working in videogame retail, like me or anyone else will tell you some funny stories....

Here's some excuses the parents will give

1) I don't care, as long as they are off my back
2) Just shut up and give me the game, I dont care what's in it, they been buggin' me for weeks!
3) Oh it's alright, I supervise my kids all the time! That reminds me, are the kids staying over at who's house that night?
4) Oh we rented it before, we don't feel it's that bad
5) Sure it has cussing, but we just turn down the volume a bit during dinner time
etc.etc.etc

Real people, real excuses...
 
The main word in your post was EXCUSES. If they are so naive and crap that they say crap like that, its they own fault! No reason to punish the kids with fines? I mean is that even constitutional? Don't they have to go to Juvenile courts or something? Maybe just fine the repeat offenders. I know, why don't they just keep carding the kids? And keep denying them the games cause they aren't of age? I know, because it would be to easy and would make too much sense.

I hear more horror stories of kids doing stuff they've seen in WWE and hurting/killing another kid than I have from video games. They aren't fining children for watching that are they? Its just too hypocritical to singal out video games when there are plenty of other things that are JUST as influential. It makes me so ticked off.
 
Excuses is another reason why the retail businesses do not want to be fined...so they push this law off on the consumers of youth.

Much like how selling ciggs to minors works out, the retail is fined $500 if caught selling a pack of ciggs to a minor.

As to, why the VG retailers will not be responsible for that similar fine to selling a violent game.

The Main word in your post is REPEATING what you said earlier.
 
I feel this should be bumped cuz there is news about it (and I live in Minnesota btw).

If I'm not mistaken, the bill is gonna be turned down cuz it was declared unconstitutional, a violation of free speech.

but yeah, this shouldnt be blamed on kids. After all, who do they take after? Their parents. Of course, since TV and video games came out, its become a babysitter for parents who are lazy and thus creating disrupting people who think that you can actually do things from video games.

I still think there are larger fish to fry than going after video games.
 
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