Do You Think Obama Is Being Too Passive?

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MR.KAZ

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Well,I'm Canadian,but yes,I think he needs to start flexing his muscle.It seems like a lot of American's are starting to think of him as a smooth talker,without putting his words and plans into action.I must admit,I like him.When is he going to say to hell with them,I'm President,and what I say goes!,otherwise,why else is he President?Why won't he use his power?

Peace.
Kaz
 
Well both parties and the American people now think he's a Marxist so he can't use *all of it*. ;)

Peace
Renegadeviking
 
MR.KAZ said:
Well,I'm Canadian,but yes,I think he needs to start flexing his muscle.It seems like a lot of American's are starting to think of him as a smooth talker,without putting his words and plans into action.I must admit,I like him.When is he going to say to hell with them,I'm President,and what I say goes!,otherwise,why else is he President?Why won't he use his power?

Peace.
Kaz

in this country we have something called checks and balances. whatever he does has to be approved by the house and senate, no questions asked.

when obama flexes his muscle like you say he will, all hell will break LOOSE!!!

im a republican, and needless to say, he has already expanded his role in government far enough. govt run healthcare will fail. period.
 
Phoenix said:
in this country we have something called checks and balances. whatever he does has to be approved by the house and senate, no questions asked.

when obama flexes his muscle like you say he will, all hell will break LOOSE!!!

im a republican, and needless to say, he has already expanded his role in government far enough. govt run healthcare will fail. period.
I think you meant only the Senate, because Nancy Pelosi is also Marxist. I hope its reformed privately only also. No government corporations allowed to manage health insurance.
 
renegadeviking said:
I think you meant only the Senate, because Nancy Pelosi is also Marxist. I hope its reformed privately only also. No government corporations allowed to manage health insurance.

no, he still has to answer to the house and senate.
 
renegadeviking said:
I think you meant only the Senate, because Nancy Pelosi is also Marxist. I hope its reformed privately only also. No government corporations allowed to manage health insurance.

Uhm, did you know that Medicade and Medicare are government run health insurance? Just checking.
 
MR.KAZ said:
Well,I'm Canadian,but yes,I think he needs to start flexing his muscle.It seems like a lot of American's are starting to think of him as a smooth talker,without putting his words and plans into action.I must admit,I like him.When is he going to say to hell with them,I'm President,and what I say goes!,otherwise,why else is he President?Why won't he use his power?

Peace.
Kaz

His power is somewhat limited. He can do a lot of things and has a great deal of power and influence, but he can't simply get things done simply because he is the president. He needs the other branches of government working with him. Even if they are in agreement with him, however, legislation can take months to draft, especially something as large as the healthcare bill. Suffice it to say he's doing everything he can to get things done, but it takes time.

renegadeviking said:
Well both parties and the American people now think he's a Marxist so he can't use *all of it*. ;)

Peace
Renegadeviking
Please. If you take two seconds to look at Maoist China or The Soviet Union, you will understand what being Marxist actually is and how completely out of place it is when applied to Obama. Socialist, I can see (and I have no problem with limited socialism), but Marxist? Where are the collective farms and political oppression? Where are the workers, seizing the means of production? Where is the demonizing of the bourgeois?

MR.KAZ said:

It's the political ideology created by Karl Marx that is the basis for communism.
 
Grindspine said:
Uhm, did you know that Medicade and Medicare are government run health insurance? Just checking.

Yeah, actually. Canada has rationing and US doesn't and its bad, so everybody can have health care. On the other hand, what China is doing for the PLA is genius. Chinese have these for-profit companies set up so the PLA can act completely independently from the Marxist government. That is what health-care should be like, but nothing about our government corporations are for-profit and Obama only wants TWO government corporations competing to lower healthcare budget, not 10 or 20 government corporations such as those working for the CMC. Needs to be for-profit so it can afford staff, equipment, and cut excess fat. IT should be across state-lines and have not 2 but like 10 or 20 government corporations competing like what the Chinese do for their PLA which by the way act independently from the marxist government. The whole PLA is under control the Central Military Commission (CMC). We really needed the Central Military Commission for our nationalized healthcare, but the democratic party doesn't want to think that way and they want government to INTERACT WITH NATIONALIZED HEATLHCARE, not act independently from government, and that will succeed. They're insanely stupid if they think it will succeed the way they have it. Oh yeah, and illegals alien get in for free, because of our court system is sympathetic. It's all insanely stupid. My two cents

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Since the Democratic Party is too boneheaded to set the nationalized healthcare like the Central Military Commission in China, the only way is do it with private corporations, across state-lines with more than 20 corporations involved.

communism =/= socialism

You're wrong. State Capitalism is like socialism. :lol Same thing in the US I'm afraid...resort to Socialist Labour Party material again.


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Canada does have equal distribution of health care, but has far limited funds for it in comparison to the U.S. Also, several European countries have socialized health care that works far better than it does in Canada.

Quite frankly, Canada is a horrible example of socialized health care. Norwegian countires have some of the best examples.

Honestly though, I think that both socialized medicine and private medicine should be used. Currently, the United States Post Office is a government branch that competes with corporate shipping companies (UPS, Fedex, DHL). That way, there is still competition, but a government controlled postal system adds competition to the mix.

If the same tactic were taken in health care, perhaps private companies would have to compete, thus offering better service for lower prices.
 
Grindspine said:
Canada does have equal distribution of health care, but has far limited funds for it in comparison to the U.S. Also, several European countries have socialized health care that works far better than it does in Canada.

Quite frankly, Canada is a horrible example of socialized health care. Norwegian countires have some of the best examples.

Honestly though, I think that both socialized medicine and private medicine should be used. Currently, the United States Post Office is a government branch that competes with corporate shipping companies (UPS, Fedex, DHL). That way, there is still competition, but a government controlled postal system adds competition to the mix.

If the same tactic were taken in health care, perhaps private companies would have to compete, thus offering better service for lower prices.

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renegadeviking said:
Yeah, actually. Canada has rationing and US doesn't and its bad, so everybody can have health care. On the other hand, what China is doing for the PLA is genius. Chinese have these for-profit companies set up so the PLA can act completely independently from the Marxist government. That is what health-care should be like, but nothing about our government corporations are for-profit and Obama only wants TWO government corporations competing to lower healthcare budget, not 10 or 20 government corporations such as those working for the CMC. Needs to be for-profit so it can afford staff, equipment, and cut excess fat. IT should be across state-lines and have not 2 but like 10 or 20 government corporations competing like what the Chinese do for their PLA which by the way act independently from the marxist government. The whole PLA is under control the Central Military Commission (CMC). We really needed the Central Military Commission for our nationalized healthcare, but the democratic party doesn't want to think that way and they want government to INTERACT WITH NATIONALIZED HEATLHCARE, not act independently from government, and that will succeed. They're insanely stupid if they think it will succeed the way they have it. Oh yeah, and illegals alien get in for free, because of our court system is sympathetic. It's all insanely stupid. My two cents

Firstly, China hasn't been marxist for twenty years. They may call themselves communist, but their economy has been completely reformed and now they are more totalitarian capitalists than anything.

Secondly, the fact that insurance is private and profit-based is the entire problem. Insurance companies are focusing first and foremost on profit, rather than giving people quality coverage so they do whatever possible to screw people over and avoid paying for medical bills. A profit-based business model is why we are stuck with this backwards corrupt industry in the first place. America has many insurance companies and this may keep prices down somewhat, but it has in no way shape or form led to better coverage. The medical industry's primary concern should be helping the sick, not the bottom line. As soon as the focus is shifted from people to profits you get the situation we have now, where 50 million people are without insurance, where insured cancer patients aren't covered because their disease is considered a "pre-existing condition", and insurance companies are corrupt faceless giants who do whatever possible to squeeze every penny out of their customer. The best thing that could ever happen to the insurance industry would be a competitor whose primary concern is making sure people can get medical treatment without going bankrupt, and a government-run program could do just that. Maybe such a competitor would force the private sector to stop being so greedy and corrupt. Maybe it would force them to actually care about what happens to their customers, instead of caring only about what happens to their wallets.

Thirdly, illegals are currently treated if they show up at the emergency room, needing treatment. That is it. This bill would do nothing to expand or change that. They would not get free insurance.
 
Homicidal Cherry53 said:
Firstly, China hasn't been marxist for twenty years. They may call themselves communist, but their economy has been completely reformed and now they are more totalitarian capitalists than anything.

Secondly, the fact that insurance is private and profit-based is the entire problem. Insurance companies are focusing first and foremost on profit, rather than giving people quality coverage so they do whatever possible to screw people over and avoid paying for medical bills. A profit-based business model is why we are stuck with this backwards corrupt industry in the first place. America has many insurance companies and this may keep prices down somewhat, but it has in no way shape or form led to better coverage. The medical industry's primary concern should be helping the sick, not the bottom line. As soon as the focus is shifted from people to profits you get the situation we have now, where 50 million people are without insurance, where insured cancer patients aren't covered because their disease is considered a "pre-existing condition", and insurance companies are corrupt faceless giants who do whatever possible to squeeze every penny out of their customer. The best thing that could ever happen to the insurance industry would be a competitor whose primary concern is making sure people can get medical treatment without going bankrupt, and a government-run program could do just that. Maybe such a competitor would force the private sector to stop being so greedy and corrupt. Maybe it would force them to actually care about what happens to their customers, instead of caring only about what happens to their wallets.

Thirdly, illegals are currently treated if they show up at the emergency room, needing treatment. That is it. This bill would do nothing to expand or change that. They would not get free insurance.

I don't believe you. All communist parties are Marxist. Hong Kong is a special administrative region, but still Marxist. It'd bankrupt us Americans we be under a common wealth of European Union or at least the IMF. We have that checks and balances system, yet I still live here. What kind of middle class am I supposed to be?

Why is capitalism good?

- created new medicines
- built up a military for the Western world so everyone else can be socialist.
- buys good from China and makes China rich
- State capitalism always fails in the United States.
- people have achievement to work hard and be optimistic like the Australians.
- people have somewhere to go for instant care. Many Canadians come to US to get surgery they can't get in Canada.
- doesn't bankrupt California or the United States for that matter.
- I thought we were against communism, because of our constitution. What are we supposed to think? Starts with "We the People...." Monarchies in the 1700s predated Prime Ministers. Use your imagination.
 
After reading these posts with my remark about Canadian beer being better,maybe there is no superior beer.Would it not boil down to preference?
When I used to drink,"Bud Light" was my preference...Hmmmm,now that I think of it,back then,any alcoholic beverage was my favorite. :lol

Godspeed,
Kaz
 
renegadeviking said:
I don't believe you. All communist parties are Marxist. Hong Kong is a special administrative region, but still Marxist. It'd bankrupt us Americans we be under a common wealth of European Union or at least the IMF. We have that checks and balances system, yet I still live here. What kind of middle class am I supposed to be?

Why is capitalism good?

- created new medicines

So, you like all of the pharmacy spam for needing male enhancement? Pfizer changed that desire into legitimate medicine in this country. I think that it is a joke since it does not cure or treat a legitimate life threatening disease.

- built up a military for the Western world so everyone else can be socialist.
- buys good from China and makes China rich

Outsourcing makes other countries increase their standard of living while ours drops. The anthropologist Marvin Harris stated that, "Outsourcing was the terminal cancer of Rome."

- State capitalism always fails in the United States.
- people have achievement to work hard and be optimistic like the Australians.
- people have somewhere to go for instant care. Many Canadians come to US to get surgery they can't get in Canada.

Yet, though our country spends more on medical care than ANY other industrialized country in the world, we have the most uninsured and underinsured citizens.

- doesn't bankrupt California or the United States for that matter.
- I thought we were against communism, because of our constitution. What are we supposed to think? Starts with "We the People...." Monarchies in the 1700s predated Prime Ministers. Use your imagination.

How about you read the constitution before making statements about it. Seriously, starting with WE THE PEOPLE supports THE PEOPLE, not specifically business owners and shareholders, therefore, not necessarily capitalism.
 
I could go on all day with all the crap that this administration is screwing the pooch with. However, I'll focus on health care as that seems to be the topic at hand. Does health care need reform? Yes it does. Is the government taking control the answer? Not by a long shot. Everything the government gets involved in just turns to crap anyway. You think that insurance companies are greedy, what do you think the government is?

They're greedy for money and power. Obama want's the public under the thumb of the government. He assumes we are too stupid to decide what's best for us.
 
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