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MR.KAZ
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Dart said:
Would you have shrugged it off if it were your father nailed to a cross slowly dying,to make sure that the very skinhead that hates his guts gets forgiven and allowed into Heaven?
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Would you have shrugged it off if it were your father nailed to a cross slowly dying,to make sure that the very skinhead that hates his guts gets forgiven and allowed into Heaven?
Mai Valentine
Moderator
Hikari and Dart actually said everything I wanted to say.
I don't agree with white supremacists or racism in general, but it is not up to me to carry out judgement on such persons. That is God's job.
In your situation Mr. KAZ, I would have left the situation alone. Resorting to violence was not the best choice, as violence usually begets violence rather than solving any kind of problem. I doubt that the beating you gave him will change his mind any.
I don't agree with white supremacists or racism in general, but it is not up to me to carry out judgement on such persons. That is God's job.
In your situation Mr. KAZ, I would have left the situation alone. Resorting to violence was not the best choice, as violence usually begets violence rather than solving any kind of problem. I doubt that the beating you gave him will change his mind any.
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MR.KAZ
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Mai Valentine said:
You're probably right Mai,it might not make a difference.Perhaps he was raised to hate people from a different culture,or maybe his friends got him into it,I don't know.He might have had a bad experience with someone from another culture in his past.Whatever the reason,it doesn't justify his or his friend's actions in any way.
No young child wakes up in the morning and says,yeah I think I'll be a misguided hateful person when I grow up.It's a sad fact,but we as adults corrupt our children.I truly hope he opens his eyes and sees that we are all God's children,regardless of the fact that their skin color is different.When we get cut we all bleed red.Not black and white.Know This,We are going to need each other soon,regardless of our race before we know it.
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MR.KAZ said:
Two problems with this. One, do you actually think salvation in Christ Jesus is a license to sin? Jesus said if you hate your brother (brother in Adam, or brother in Christ), then you have murdered him in your heart. That means that this clown, although he professes faith, carries out his life as though he has no part in Christ's salvation. So skinhead or not, you will know who they belong to by the fruits of their life.
Two, what's the difference between a guy who slanders Him now, and those who slandered Him then? Nothing. But the major difference is Christ didn't fight back. He took it because of the bigger picture. We too should follow His lead in that when someone slanders His name, we should say our peace. If the slanders persist, we should get up and walk away. We've already tried the diplomatic approach. Now it's time to reduce this guy's audience by one.
Not trying to come off hard or abrasive. I'm just trying to give you sound advice in light of this unfortunate event.
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MR.KAZ
Lurker
Dart said:
Of course not Dart,I don't think it's a license to sin.As I stated earlier,Jesus died for our sins,that doesn't give you carte blanche to go out and start sinning or hurting people.
mrs_enigma
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Well, for my two sense. I certainly think racists suck. But beating up jews er beating up people in laundromats...it is all still starting fights and hurting people.
Anyone losing their cool and committing a violent act is really sad.
There is no way to beat someone into respecting your God.
If someone hates others and beats them up...and then you hate them and beat them up...seems like you are reducing yourself to their level.
If the man had been hurting or harming another human and you had then beaten him up...that woulda had a cause and made way more sense.
I am just sorry you lost your cool and started hurting someone.
Anyone losing their cool and committing a violent act is really sad.
There is no way to beat someone into respecting your God.
If someone hates others and beats them up...and then you hate them and beat them up...seems like you are reducing yourself to their level.
If the man had been hurting or harming another human and you had then beaten him up...that woulda had a cause and made way more sense.
I am just sorry you lost your cool and started hurting someone.
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MR.KAZ
Lurker
Who am I? Osama Bin Laden!
I made it quite clear that I'm not a violent person.I know it wasn't a Christian thing to do.Jesus most definitely would have handled it better,I understand that.I'm not proud at all about how I handled that.I don't mean sound too defensive,but it sounds like you guys are really rubbing it in.C'mon now!
I made it quite clear that I'm not a violent person.I know it wasn't a Christian thing to do.Jesus most definitely would have handled it better,I understand that.I'm not proud at all about how I handled that.I don't mean sound too defensive,but it sounds like you guys are really rubbing it in.C'mon now!
mrs_enigma
Here is a lil smile for ya :)
MR.KAZ said:
I am not trying to say you are Osama. But you have to expect some sort of response...prolly in the negative...when you make a whole thread on how you decided to beat someone up for thinking differently then you. I have talked with a couple dif people who had very similar beliefs to the guy you met. I think their beliefs are horrible and really cruel, so it isn't that I do not know what it is like dealing with someone like that. But violence is not an answer.
Perhaps you would receive a more sympathetic response if your thread had read something like, "I messed up really bad. I just beat up a guy cuz I did not like how he thought and reasoned and I feel terrible over it and am super sorry I did it". Then, I woulda been more inclined to come across sympathetically. But maybe I misread your thread, but it seemed to me like you were trying to make it out how bad the other dude was.
But I am glad you are not a violent person. That is good.
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