GamingMaiden
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Is there any advanages? They ban rock music and video games....(oh and btw.....I'M NOT CHRISTIAN!!!!!!) i'm so upset....any comfort? tissues? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :? 
I'm going to a Christian Acdemy!!
mastermario
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All video games? Come on, there are plenty of games that don't involve tons of violence and such. Plus, I'm assuming they allow Christian rock...what is their distinction between Christian rock and other rock? And, what do they say about movies?
KirbyRockz
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I go to a christian academy, too, but the difference is I'm a remote student. 
The academy is in Illinois, I'm states away.
The academy is in Illinois, I'm states away.Ugh. I feel for ya man. That really sucks.
Grindspine
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GamingMaiden said:Is there any advanages? They ban rock music and video games....(oh and btw.....I'M NOT CHRISTIAN!!!!!!) i'm so upset....any comfort? tissues? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :?
You have my sympathies... I went to a Christian high school, so have gone that road... Take what you can from the experience and try to get along with everyone, but don't forget about the beliefs that you already have.
Take it as an experience to learn, but since you aren't Christian, you might want to keep that more to your self so people don't try to peer pressure you into their beliefs... Arguing religion is pointless since solid arguements are based on logic while religion is based on faith.
Grindspine said:
Yeah that's why I don't get why people even argue about religion.
You might want to listen to what GrindSpine says GamingMaiden. Since you aren't Christian, you may not wanna let them push their beliefs on you. Why are you going to a Christian school if you aren't Christian anyways?
Huge problem, in my opinion. May I ask who is "forcing" you into this academy? Because forcing someone to a Christian school when they aren't Christian spells disaster. I assume it's your parents. One thing that many Christians don't understand is you cannot scare or force anyone into Heaven.
The difference is obvious. It's the topics in the lyrics that make a song secular or Christian.
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GamingMaiden said:Is there any advanages? They ban rock music and video games....(oh and btw.....I'M NOT CHRISTIAN!!!!!!) i'm so upset....any comfort? tissues? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :?
um, i think if i went to a school and they told me I can't listen to music or play video games... I'd kill them.
end of story.
mastermario
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I dont know if it is that obvious. There are plenty of "Christian" bands that write music that aren't about God in every single song. Who will go through every song and say if its good or bad?
stealth toilet
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And on the 8th day, God banned rock music and videogames... :lol
In all seriousness, banning music and videogames is not Christian, it's just ignorant. It's not as though Christ only listened to country western...
I don't want to get into any kind of debate here, there really is none to be had, but I do think your statement implies something that simply isn't true. One can be a very logical and reasonable individual and still believe in something that can't be proved nor disproved. Discussing religion in an intelligent and logical way is something that has and is going on every day by very educated people. I'm not saying that Christianity is more logical than Buddhism, or atheism, or any other belief system, I'm simply reiterating the fact that while you may have personally discussed religion in an informal and "pointless" way, the opposite is true for many others. I would also discuss your definition of the word "solid" in that sentence, but I feel I've made my point.
Ultimately, this academy needs to get it's priorities straight. The next time some teacher tries to enforce the ban you should ask them for the bible passage where God forbade music. And if they quote some obscure passage that can be loosely interpreted to mean something that might vaguely relate to music in a negative way, then ask them why God created musicians if He didn't want anyone to listen to their music.
In all seriousness, banning music and videogames is not Christian, it's just ignorant. It's not as though Christ only listened to country western...
I don't want to get into any kind of debate here, there really is none to be had, but I do think your statement implies something that simply isn't true. One can be a very logical and reasonable individual and still believe in something that can't be proved nor disproved. Discussing religion in an intelligent and logical way is something that has and is going on every day by very educated people. I'm not saying that Christianity is more logical than Buddhism, or atheism, or any other belief system, I'm simply reiterating the fact that while you may have personally discussed religion in an informal and "pointless" way, the opposite is true for many others. I would also discuss your definition of the word "solid" in that sentence, but I feel I've made my point.
Ultimately, this academy needs to get it's priorities straight. The next time some teacher tries to enforce the ban you should ask them for the bible passage where God forbade music. And if they quote some obscure passage that can be loosely interpreted to mean something that might vaguely relate to music in a negative way, then ask them why God created musicians if He didn't want anyone to listen to their music.
Grindspine
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stealth toilet said:
My statement was that arguing religion is pointless because religion is based on faith. Faith is a belief system that is not necessarily based on facts that can be proven. That is what faith is by definition. Thus, it can't be argued with logic.
To put it simply, logic requires evidence. Faith does not require evidence. Therefore one cannot be argued with the other.
It is not a question about what someone believes, but what can be argued. Religious beliefs can neither be proven nor disproven. That's why belief in them requires faith...belief without evidence to support that belief.
You might as well argue about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin (considering that angels would not necessarily have volume or take up space, but the determining factor of how many of something can fit on the head of a pin would be that object's volume).
That advice might only make it seem to those in authority at the academy that she is questioning that authority... It may not be a biblical rule, but it still seems that the academy has strict rules of their own.
Banning music or videogames in a school setting is to limit distractions. It really has nothing to to with Biblical rules. And last I checked, these rules only apply on school grounds.
@MM, I'm sorry for the bluntness. I read again what I said, and although it wasn't intended, it seemed a bit harsh.
I do realize there are a lot of Christian rock bands that do not sing about God in every song. However they do have more positive lyrics than mainstream bands.
@MM, I'm sorry for the bluntness. I read again what I said, and although it wasn't intended, it seemed a bit harsh.
I do realize there are a lot of Christian rock bands that do not sing about God in every song. However they do have more positive lyrics than mainstream bands.
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GamingMaiden said:Is there any advanages? They ban rock music and video games....(oh and btw.....I'M NOT CHRISTIAN!!!!!!) i'm so upset....any comfort? tissues? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :?
Wow. That sounds super awful! I feel bad for ya! I hated it when I couldn't play video games or listen to music. I feel really bad that you might have to go through somethingf like that. :'(
stealth toilet
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If something can be proven or disproven absolutely then no arguement over the subject is necessary. Religion can be "argued" just as any opinion, view, belief, or theory can. The fact that God's existence can't be proven is exactly why so many people debate it. If Angels had a finite volume then you could simply crunch some numbers and state exactly how many angels could fit. There would be no debate or arguement. Some people have belief system A and others have belief system B, neither can be proven or disproven, yet people still choose between the two based off of any number of factors. Hence, an arguement, debate, or discussion about the matter can follow. Nobody knows anything for sure, so it's always interesting to hear what people think, and even more interesting is why they think the way they do. Contrary to popular belief the word "faith" does not imply that it is of the blind variety. Faith is generally a conclusion reached after considering all the evidence and realizing that if all other possibilites have been found incorrect than the remaining possibility, no matter how implausible, must be correct.
You say that religion cannot be argued with logic, but I sincerely believe the opposite to be true. One cannot argue religion (for or against) without being incredibly logical.
I'm sorry that your unhappy with your new school and I empathize with you it must be terrible being sent to a school where your going to have different religous beliefs forced on you. I hope you will keep this in mind if your parents don't choose to enforce the schools no rock music video games policy when your at home the school can't do anything about for awhile I was working with the youth in the church that I attend about half dozen of them went to christian schools they weren't supposed to listen to rock or play video games either but they because there parents let them. What I'm trying to tell you is that unless your parents are sending to some boarding school or choose to enforce the policy at home the school is very limited in what they can do when your not actualy there.
Grindspine
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stealth toilet said:
Actually, you just gave a definition of scientific method... "reaching a conclusion after considering all evidence against other possibilities."
That is not "faith".
From Mirriam-webster encyclopedia:
Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: 'fAth
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th]z/
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust -- more at BIDE
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
You cited faith as considering evidence... That's not how faith is defined by the masses, nor by Mirriam Webster.
Logic, however, is defined by:
Main Entry: log·ic
Pronunciation: 'lä-jik
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English logik, from Anglo-French, from Latin logica, from Greek logikE, from feminine of logikos of reason, from logos reason -- more at LEGEND
1 a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning (2) : a branch or variety of logic <modal logic> <Boolean logic> (3) : a branch of semiotic; especially : SYNTACTICS (4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty (2) : RELEVANCE, PROPRIETY c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable d : the arrangement of circuit elements (as in a computer) needed for computation; also : the circuits themselves
2 : something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason <the logic of war>
What you called faith is akin to "inference and demonstration". That's in the definition of logic, not faith.
I think that you're pretty much defining things differently than I am. You might find that faith and logic coexist. I find that by their very definitions, they are opposite.
I went to one when I was in high school, hated it at the time...but honestly, public schools are getting so out of control these days that for the most part I feel like people are losing out bigtime. I know that the education from the environment I received was worth it now, after having gone, graduated from Berkeley and made it in the real world. Without that, I don't think I'd be here. Honestly, I'd just power through it buddy. They're probably not completely as strict as they say they are 24/7, but I know from experience how it is. You'll hate it for 4 years, but trust me..you'll appreciate in the future. Just try to make the best of it.
Grindspine, good show. However I, like a great many people, see that logic and faith can coexist no matter their definition.
First off, Webster is a wee bit off on the definition of faith. Faith is not a firm belief in something in which there is no proof. It's the firm belief on that which has little proof. And this is why one can logically place their faith in Christianity. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support my faith in Christ. Because if there was direct evidence there would be no need for faith.
So faith and logic can easily coexist without conflict.
First off, Webster is a wee bit off on the definition of faith. Faith is not a firm belief in something in which there is no proof. It's the firm belief on that which has little proof. And this is why one can logically place their faith in Christianity. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support my faith in Christ. Because if there was direct evidence there would be no need for faith.
So faith and logic can easily coexist without conflict.
stealth toilet
Moderator
As I have already stated, contrary to the popular belief, true faith is not blind at all. Somewhere along the lines of uneducated discussion "faith" and "blind faith" became inexorably intertwined. I am trying to dispel that notion, which apparently is something Mirriam Webster overlooked. I can logically deduce, through observations, that a superior being exists. I could also take it a step further and infer, or deduce, that the superior being in question created us. Now I can't prove any of this, I don't know it for sure, but I can come to that conclusion in a logical, and even scientific way, done mostly through the process of elimination.
Weighing the evidence can only go so far, precisely if the evidence does not lead to an irrefutable conclusion. At that point, one has to exert their own reason to pick the most logical conclusion, at which point they must simply believe it to be true until more evidence comes up. One must, at that point, have faith.