Isaac Hayes (Voice of Chef) leaves South Park

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http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20060313/D8GAVO9OH.html?PG=home

Due to religious issue, Mr. Hayes leaves for the insult to his reilgion
 
Oh friggin' boo-hoo. It's all fun and games when he participates in the making fun of other religious beliefs. But when someone makes fun of his own, then it all changes...

"South Park" co-creator Matt Stone responded sharply in an interview with The Associated Press Monday, saying, "This is 100 percent having to do with his faith of Scientology... He has no problem - and he's cashed plenty of checks - with our show making fun of Christians."
 
The one thing I hate most is a religion person who is also a hypocrite. Oh well, I haven't watched South Park for a while now. Won't affect me.
 
Hypocrisy is impossible to avoid. There is not a single person who hasn't condemned doing something and then done it themselves. Religious or not, we're all hypocrites.


That totally sucks. Chef was awesome on the show, often being the "voice of reason," so to speak. Although Chef was not a major part of the show (some episodes he was an integral character) he was definitely a nice addition, and in many ways portrayed a racially distinct yet not stereotypical "african american" on the show. I think he's doing a great disservice to himself, Matt Stone and Trey Parker, and the fans of South Park.

Stone told The AP he and co-creator Trey Parker "never heard a peep out of Isaac in any way until we did Scientology. He wants a different standard for religions other than his own, and to me, that is where intolerance and bigotry begin."

Amen.


Sidenote: I actually saw that episode, and it was frickin funny. Yes it did make fun of scientologists (from what I can gather most of it was actually true, scientologists were practically asking to be mocked) but as a Christian I've sat through numerous episodes depicting Jesus, Satan, and even God in ways that obviously do not conform to Christianity. While I found them to be somewhat blasphemous, I never found their comedy to be tasteless, or even really offensive. Even if it was somewhat offensive I always understood the joke they were trying to make, so even if I didn't personally find it funny I could at least appreciate what they were trying to do.

Some people just need to grow a sense of humor. It's not like MS and TP were picking on scientologists...
 
stealth toilet said:
Hypocrisy is impossible to avoid. There is not a single person who hasn't condemned doing something and then done it themselves. Religious or not, we're all hypocrites.

Some people just need to grow a sense of humor. It's not like MS and TP were picking on scientologists...

well.... I agree with Creepin on this one... and I partially agree with you Stealth. Yes, people need to grow a sense of humor, but at the same time... others need to quit crossing the line. I quit watching the show a long time ago... #1 because I didn't think it was funny anymore, #2 I felt it was trying to push people's buttons and get people mad for no reason, and #3 I felt a lot of the stuff on there was inappropriate. I am a Christian, most people here know that. I also do not take it "lightly." I am not overbearing, but I personally think that people who claim they are Christians need to take it more seriously than they do.... it's not just a title, or a name... it's a way of life and responsibility. Another topic, another time with that.

Yes, we are all hypocrites at times.... some are more than others though. But what strikes me in this case.... he is sensative to "scientology" ... but he could stand Jews, Christians, and other religions to be bashed. You see... it's different if you don't get offended at all. It's different if you play on other religions and your own (even though you feel bad about it.. and yes that is hypocritical as well).... but when you play on other religions and then cannot take it when your religion is played (never mind the fact if you think the others are wrong versus your own), that's not cool.

regardless .... I could care less if he went. He did a good job at his character, but ..... I don't care about South Park. I haven't for at least 5-6 years.

†B†V† :hat
 
stealth toilet said:
Hypocrisy is impossible to avoid. There is not a single person who hasn't condemned doing something and then done it themselves. Religious or not, we're all hypocrites.

Very true and I agree. I should have been more specific. Religious people, more often than not, are worse when it comes to hypocrisy because they are "bound" by a certain code of ethics. But I don't know much about scientology other than the stories of how L. Ron Hubbard created it based on some bet and how he can con people from their money. So I can't speak about it anymore.
 
Yes, people need to grow a sense of humor, but at the same time... others need to quit crossing the line.

This reminds me of a very current event that happened to me.

My university newspaper (The Sheaf) ran a comic the other week that depicted Jesus performing felatio on a pig. The comic was called "Capitalist Piglet" and was "supposed" to be a satire of the relationship between religious organizations and money... unfortuneatly it was not funny in the least, and I was very offended by it. In my school political studies forum I posted this in response to a person who felt that the freedom of the press was violated when the comic was later blacked out in the paper and several apologies were given from the editors (one even resigned).

(My Response)
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"I've got to say, as a fan of comedy, this comic brought out some mixed feelings in me. On the one hand, I've always believed that jokes are jokes, and not meant to be taken seriously. If a joke offends someone, chances are they got so caught up in worrying about it's political correctness so much that the humor of it went completely over their head. Whether it be a racial, political, or religious "attack" I've always believed people should simply "find the funny" in the joke.

That being said, I found the cartoon "Capitalist Piglet" to be completely reprehensible. Once the initial shock of seeing Jesus in such a compromising position wore off, I actually re-read the cartoon to try and find out what was funny in it. However, I could not find anything funny about it at all. Perhaps it's just not my style of comedy, or perhaps I've become ctoo aught up in it's political correctness myself, but aside from shock value this comic seemed to offer nothing at all.

While one can argue about the freedom of the press all they want, I think what's more important is acting with a little decency towards fellow human beings. When someone has the ability to speak to an audience they are obligated to do so with respect to those who will be listening. On paper it may be our legal right to say whatever we want whenever we want, but in reality everyone has to conduct themselves with some reserve, especially when writing for a newspaper (even if it's just the comics section of a university one).

I think the fact that a Christian group was targeted makes it that much easier to say that those opposed to the comic are "ridiculous" and "unreasonable." If the joke depicted someone like Martin Luther King Jr., or Ghandi, in the position of Jesus then it would have been a very different story. Obviously the "pun" of the comic itself would change if someone other than Jesus was in it, but you know what I'm getting at. I highly doubt black or Indian people would be referred to as making "ridiculous and unreasonable demands of the sheaf" if they asked for an apology. And I highly doubt any newspaper editor would justify printing something like that by saying they have the right to say what they want.

I'm sorry for making such a lengthy reply, generally I try to keep my rants to a maximum of two paragraphs. I just found this joke to be absolutely tasteless, and I was offended not only as fan of Jesus, but also as a fan of comedy. While it's one thing to tell a racist joke in a bar to a couple of buddies, it's another thing entirely to print that joke in a newspaper."
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While this does not relate spefically to what happened on South Park, it clearly shows what I think about comedy and "crossing the line." I do agree with you BV, that there are lines that shouldn't be crossed, but if you think South Park crosses that line, you haven't seen anything yet.
 
:lol


Well I wasn't so much trying to "stick it to 'em" as I was just annoyed that everyone seemed to be missing the point.

I dunno, sometimes I feel a lot like BV and I wonder where society is going to draw the line. Unfortunatly by the time society does it will have been too late, it's been too late for many years now. But that's something completely different unto itself.
 
Yea that sounds like a pretty moronic joke. But ya' know, if you stress about every moron in the world you'll have an ulcer by 28. I see things like this all the time, I just chuckle and shrug it off. As long as free speech exists there is nothing you nor I can do about crap like that. I actually like it when I see such idiotic stuff, it makes me feel superior :D
 
As long as free speech exists there is nothing you nor I can do about crap like that.

Due to the number of complaints they blacked out the joke, the editor in chief resigned, and the next issue of "The Sheaf" was nothing but apologies and e-mails that were sent in response to the comic.

We do not have to tolerate intolerance.
 
stealth toilet said:
We do not have to tolerate intolerance.

Heh. Well in the U.S your rights end where mine begins. And vise versa. It has nothing to do with intolerane. It has everything to do with doing the right thing. Doing the right thing is not making a cartoon that you know beyond a reasonable doubt that will piss off a lot of people. Common sense suggests that. And if I am "intolerant" because I feel something is ofensive, then so be it. That means don't be surprised if someone comes off saying something that really upsets you, and they accuse you of the very same thing you accuse others of.

"We do not have to tolerate intolerance" is a term that will shoot you in the foot. It is down right hypocritical.

As long as free speech exists there is nothing you nor I can do about crap like that.

Freedom of speech does not protect insults. If a cartoon targets a group of people for insults, it is not protected...
 
Dart said:
Freedom of speech does not protect insults. If a cartoon targets a group of people for insults, it is not protected...

That's a very gray area though. Even though the example Stealth gave was practically black and white, it's not always. But like I always say, and others, just treat people how you want to be treated.
 
Bottom line as Chef he had plenty of lines that might be deemed controversial and he had no problem gettin' payed for that. He had to know that sooner or later Matt and Trey were gonna go after Scientology. I love Isaac Hayes but his decision is hypocritical.
 
it's odd he would leave for religious reasons. I heard an interview he did on the O@A show, he said that it didn't upset him that Matt and Tre from Southpark wrote an episode about Scientology and that everyone should lighten up because it's only a joke and they satire pretty much everybody.
 
We do not have to tolerate intolerance" is a term that will shoot you in the foot. It is down right hypocritical.

Well, in the context I was using that statement I felt it was justified.

Otherwise I suppose I should have said "I do not have to tolerate what I find to be intolerant," but it loses some of it's punch that way. :lol
 
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