ITS OFFICIAL: : Nintendo's "Revolution" is off my "must have" list (My rant)

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Ahh Pickle King, you're gonna love it here. I've only been here for 5 days or so and I already have over 100 posts. There's so many topics out there. So get-a-postin! :D

I remember my newbie days 8)

Welcome to the board, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I do! ;D
 
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I mean, imagine swinging the thing like a bat instead of just pressing a button, or swinging it like a sword, or whatever.
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I am imagining it, it looks completely ridiculous, and I hope against hope that it's never required to play a Zelda game. Seriously, I think its dumb. If I wanted the effect of actually swinging a sword I'd swing a real sword! What's next, jumping pads that require you to actually jump for Mario? Wouldn't that be innovative/different/completely ridiculous as well?

And as a parting note I would like to point out, Nintendo can be as Mature as the other systems. I used to be subscribed to Nintendo Power (similar to XBM or PSM for those who don't know).
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Did you ever read a NP issue? Compare it with an XBM/PSM issue? They are aimed at totally different demographics. And I'm not saying this because I'm biased or whatever but (although admittedly I do hold a bias, but even one without such a bias will agree) I have subscirbed to both NP and XBM and the level of language used, the e-mails/letters responded to, even looking at the articles themselves it was very easy to see one magazine was aiming at "kids" (12 and under) and one was aiming at teenagers (13+). Nintendo does want to be seen as a family company, they do make games accessible to younger audiences, therefore they are not as "mature" (in the sense you used the word at any rate) as the other systems. Whether or not that makes their games bad is another story...

Nintendo will be forced out of business because of peoples ignorance and continuing appreciation of graphics and the same FPSs rereleased with a different skin instead of the innovation and attempts at something different.
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Perhaps it is Nintendo's own ignorance of growing market trends combined with their ignorance of an entire segment (and much more wealthy segment) of the gaming community that will force them out of the console business. They seem to forget that the people who are buying PS2's and Xbox's (or 360s now) are the same peole that grew up on Nintendo. They want to like Nintendo, they have fond memories of them, but they are just not interested in the games they make. A console that enabled you to jump on goombas as mario, fight Ganon as Link, and pick up hookers in a red light district as "____" would be the best selling console of all time, but Nintendo refuses to do this to maintain they're "everyone" image! Why they don't just suck it up and get the mature titles everyone wants on their console too is a mystery beyond me. They don't need to revolutionize the gaming industry to get back to the #1 spot, they just need to give people what they want!

Oh and welcome to the boards. :lol
Don't worry, I'm this much of a jerk to everyone here.
 
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stealth toilet said:
I am imagining it, it looks completely ridiculous, and I hope against hope that it's never required to play a Zelda game. Seriously, I think its dumb. If I wanted the effect of actually swinging a sword I'd swing a real sword! What's next, jumping pads that require you to actually jump for Mario? Wouldn't that be innovative/different/completely ridiculous as well?
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Are you afraid of looking dumb? Do you care a lot what people think of you? What's wrong swinging a controller? That idea you had for a jumping pad for mario is quite interesting as long as it does more than just have him jump. I dont see how that is ridiculous. Especially in today's age where children are less active and currently on the verge of having an obesity epidemic (I dont know how it is in Canada but here in the US it is.)

Did you ever read a NP issue? Compare it with an XBM/PSM issue? They are aimed at totally different demographics. And I'm not saying this because I'm biased or whatever but (although admittedly I do hold a bias, but even one without such a bias will agree) I have subscirbed to both NP and XBM and the level of language used, the e-mails/letters responded to, even looking at the articles themselves it was very easy to see one magazine was aiming at "kids" (12 and under) and one was aiming at teenagers (13+). Nintendo does want to be seen as a family company, they do make games accessible to younger audiences, therefore they are not as "mature" (in the sense you used the word at any rate) as the other systems. Whether or not that makes their games bad is another story...
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I agree Nintendo Power is aimed at younger audiences. I used to subscribe to it and I didnt like it much.

Perhaps it is Nintendo's own ignorance of growing market trends combined with their ignorance of an entire segment (and much more wealthy segment) of the gaming community that will force them out of the console business. They seem to forget that the people who are buying PS2's and Xbox's (or 360s now) are the same peole that grew up on Nintendo. They want to like Nintendo, they have fond memories of them, but they are just not interested in the games they make. A console that enabled you to jump on goombas as mario, fight Ganon as Link, and pick up hookers in a red light district as "____" would be the best selling console of all time, but Nintendo refuses to do this to maintain they're "everyone" image! Why they don't just suck it up and get the mature titles everyone wants on their console too is a mystery beyond me. They don't need to revolutionize the gaming industry to get back to the #1 spot, they just need to give people what they want!
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I also agree that more mature titles can and should come out on the Revolution, but if we already have PS3's and 360's that provide that what is so wrong of Nintendo providing for another type of audience? I dont think that Nintendo actually wants that #1 spot. I think they are just trying to provide a different gaming experience and I for one am glad because Ill have more variety of games. And as a gamer thats all I really want.
 
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nice looking stuff there though :)

nice and clean :)

btw... welcome pickle king :D  we hope to see you around!  Enjoy your stay :D  I know I say that to everyone... but I do mean it. :lol


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I agree with Creepin. I mean, like I said before, thats all I really want from games is a variety and games that are good. They dont have to be cutting edge, but I suppose I expect graphics to get better over time. And they dont have to be all about gore, have rap music, talk about drugs and sex, have cars in them, or whatever. Although a bit of violence is fun once in a while. Still, Nintendo is sticking to what gaming is all about IMO. Games are for entertainment and to have fun.
 
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Did you ever read a NP issue? Compare it with an XBM/PSM issue? They are aimed at totally different demographics.
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I didn't mean they had similar demographics, I just meant that NP was also a magazine that focused on and promoted 1 of the companies. I heartily agree they were very kiddie and that's also why I stopped subscribing to them.

Thx for the welcomes. I just came from the killergames forum, my friend's site (oh the massacre :'() and I am happy that this one has so many active members.
As to the sword swinging thing, I think it would be awesome if there was someway for it to stop your arm midswing to simulate actually hitting something... It would be kind of dumb if your sword just passed through everything because in real life you didn't stop or if you kept swinging around in circles even though your sword stopped 10 minutes ago. I also believe that even though it will appeal to more 'casual gamers'(I hate that term) it will have enough subtle nuances that hardcore gamers will be able to figure it out well enough to become almost connected with the controller. Dunno though, maybe some1 else has a good idea.

Although a bit of violence is fun once in a while
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I like the red clouds in RE4 when a villager hols a stick of dynamite just a little too long...
 
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I like the red clouds in RE4 when a villageer hols a stick of dynamite just a little too long...
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I also like red bubbles when fighting underwater in OoT.
 
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Are you afraid of looking dumb? Do you care a lot what people think of you?
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:lol Don't even try to play that card man. I'm not saying its a stupid idea because its "uncool," and you know that's not what I meant by "it's dumb." Honestly, I think its gimmicky, I don't see it being fun, and I'd feel like a moron if I had to play games like that.

What's wrong swinging a controller?
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If you're seriously asking that, then there's no way I can even bring up my side of the arguement. I can only respond with "What isn't wrong about having to swing a controller?"

That idea you had for a jumping pad for mario is quite interesting as long as it does more than just have him jump. I dont see how that is ridiculous. Especially in today's age where children are less active and currently on the verge of having an obesity epidemic (I dont know how it is in Canada but here in the US it is.)
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Well I can't speak for everyone else, but when I want to get some excercise I hit up the gym, or sign up for a rec sport, or something of that nature. When I want to kick back and play some videogames I don't want it to be a physical experience. There's no need to combine the two, and for myself I definitely don't want jumping to become a common necessity to play videogames... ditto for arm-swinging...

I dont think that Nintendo actually wants that #1 spot.
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Wrong. Nintendo cares just as much about sales and profits as Sony and Msoft (maybe more). If they didn't they wouldn't bring up their fiscal status everytime someone brings up their low "games sold" numbers. The decision to create this new gaming experience is out of the desire to change the direction of the industry where they would once again be the leaders, or create a niche market that is free of competition. It has very little to do with providing a "new experience" for gamers who want something different out of the goodness of their hearts.

I also agree that more mature titles can and should come out on the Revolution, but if we already have PS3's and 360's that provide that what is so wrong of Nintendo providing for another type of audience?
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There's nothing wrong with it, I never said there was. I was talking about what would or would not force them out of the console business. My contention is that their own stubborness (i.e. not making mature themed games and not encouraging 3rd parties to do the same) is going to force them out of the console market, in opposition to the other arguement brought up that said that "ignorant gamers" would force them out of the consolse market. Your personal opinion comments stated after that have nothing to do with the point I was making, so it confuses me as to why you posted them right after you quoted me.

Actually, a lot of what I said is being taken out of context, most of all that comment about Nintendo Power. Please go back and look at what I said and what it was in response to before quoting me and then making your own comments that have relatively little to do with what I was saying. Initially NP was brought up to prove Nintendo's maturity by the list of top-selling games on the GC that was enclosed within. My contention was that the actual NP magazine itself was proof that Nintendo did aim at a younger audience and was therefore not as mature. Having said that, seeing comments like...

I didn't mean they had similar demographics, I just meant that NP was also a magazine that focused on and promoted 1 of the companies. I heartily agree they were very kiddie and that's also why I stopped subscribing to them.
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I agree Nintendo Power is aimed at younger audiences. I used to subscribe to it and I didnt like it much.
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...is frustrating because my overall point is being missed, or agreed with, yet the responses still sound contradictory, or like I'm stating a moot point. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting some things as well, my apologies if i have. But it really seems like I'm being misquoted...

P.S. I am not half as angry as this post sounds, lol. Just for the record, I don't hate any of you, although the tone of this post may seem to prove otherwise...
 
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my opinoin on the whole having to swing the controller or a jumping mat is that it could be fun some of the time but annoying most of the time. I have a feeling that if Nintendo made something like that they would probably have some way to switch it on or off. So when you want to swing it you can and when you want to play normally you can
 
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stealth toilet said:
:lol Don't even try to play that card man. I'm not saying its a stupid idea because its "uncool," and you know that's not what I meant by "it's dumb." Honestly, I think its gimmicky, I don't see it being fun, and I'd feel like a moron if I had to play games like that.
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It was just a simple question. I dont know you in real life so I wanted to know if that is also what you meant.

If you're seriously asking that, then there's no way I can even bring up my side of the arguement. I can only respond with "What isn't wrong about having to swing a controller?"
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Well I answer anyways. I dont see anything wrong with it. It just adds another level of interactivity to the game. It might enhance a game or it might not.

Well I can't speak for everyone else, but when I want to get some excercise I hit up the gym, or sign up for a rec sport, or something of that nature. When I want to kick back and play some videogames I don't want it to be a physical experience. There's no need to combine the two, and for myself I definitely don't want jumping to become a common necessity to play videogames... ditto for arm-swinging...
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I would hit a gym too but Im talking about more about younger children who arent getting enough physical activity. But thats an extreme point. So Ill just let that one go.

Wrong. Nintendo cares just as much about sales and profits as Sony and Msoft (maybe more). If they didn't they wouldn't bring up their fiscal status everytime someone brings up their low "games sold" numbers. The decision to create this new gaming experience is out of the desire to change the direction of the industry where they would once again be the leaders, or create a niche market that is free of competition. It has very little to do with providing a "new experience" for gamers who want something different out of the goodness of their hearts.
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Caring about profits and caring about the #1 spot are two different things. They dont necessarily go hand in hand especially in Nintendo's case where even though they sell less units then their competitors they still can turn a profit. So no they dont care about that spot as much as we think they do, obviously with the big risk they are taking with their new console. They know that Sony and MS are here to stay. I believe they just want to provide something different and new that Sony and MS wouldn't do.

There's nothing wrong with it, I never said there was. I was talking about what would or would not force them out of the console business. My contention is that their own stubborness (i.e. not making mature themed games and not encouraging 3rd parties to do the same) is going to force them out of the console market, in opposition to the other arguement brought up that said that "ignorant gamers" would force them out of the consolse market. Your personal opinion comments stated after that have nothing to do with the point I was making, so it confuses me as to why you posted them right after you quoted me.
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I posted them because I was quoting the whole paragraph. It was another question that I asked not because you said there was but because I wanted to know if you thought there was anything wrong with it. I agree that they should persuade more 3rd party companies to join them in this new console, and I can see why they might not.


Actually, a lot of what I said is being taken out of context, most of all that comment about Nintendo Power. Please go back and look at what I said and what it was in response to before quoting me and then making your own comments that have relatively little to do with what I was saying. Initially NP was brought up to prove Nintendo's maturity by the list of top-selling games on the GC that was enclosed within. My contention was that the actual NP magazine itself was proof that Nintendo did aim at a younger audience and was therefore not as mature. Having said that, seeing comments like...
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...is frustrating because my overall point is being missed, or agreed with, yet the responses still sound contradictory, or like I'm stating a moot point. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting some things as well, my apologies if i have. But it really seems like I'm being misquoted...
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If you feel I misquoted you then I apologize.

P.S. I am not half as angry as this post sounds, lol. Just for the record, I don't hate any of you, although the tone of this post may seem to prove otherwise...
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I fail to see how this shows that you might hate us, so I just want to say dont worry about it. Im glad that I can debate something without somebody resorting to immature name calling and all that other stuff that happens on the internet. :)
 
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I fail to see how this shows that you might hate us, so I just want to say dont worry about it. Im glad that I can debate something without somebody resorting to immature name calling and all that other stuff that happens on the internet.
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Ya, I've found that some people take everything personally... I just wanted to make sure no one took what I said the wrong way.

Caring about profits and caring about the #1 spot are two different things.
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I also said "sales" as well as profits. Actually, I'm sure BV has posted numerous topics on the actual profits that each company was making, and it seemed like Nintendo may have even been doing the best out of all three at some points. My point was that the creation of the "revolution" was done so because it was seen as a profitable venture for the company.

I believe they just want to provide something different and new that Sony and MS wouldn't do.
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I agree. But once again, they are providing something different than Sony and MS because they don't want to compete directly with them. Every decision Nintendo makes is done so with $$$ in mind. That may be what you're saying, its kind of hard to tell, but it doesn't really sound like it. Make no mistake, Nintendo is hoping the Revolution will bring about a new age of gaming, in which they will (once again) be on the very top.

my opinoin on the whole having to swing the controller or a jumping mat is that it could be fun some of the time but annoying most of the time. I have a feeling that if Nintendo made something like that they would probably have some way to switch it on or off. So when you want to swing it you can and when you want to play normally you can
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I still have high hopes for that controller "shell" or whatever it was they were calling it. Some kind of dealy where the remote sits in a more standardized controller to make playing ported/regular games possible, and maybe slightly enhanced with the remote thingy. Of course, if such a device does come to be it better be sold with everything else, and not some overpriced peripheral that Nintendo usually turns into "almost necessary" products (like the expansion pak, bloody ripoff it was).
 
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hey... is pickle king ever coming back? :D

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I had a thought when I started reading this but I forgot what it was while I read the rest of the thread. I'm all for intelligent discussions but you guys really take it to the limits. :lol

I think what I wanted to say was that it seems like a lot of the companies think that we are all rolling in money. $50 games, $400 consoles, HDTVs, etc.

And maybe it seems like I do have money because I'm always getting consoles and games and stuff.

But it's not that simple.

I pre-ordered the XBOX 360 back in June and added about a $100 a month so that I would have it paid off by November. I also traded in about $100 worth of games to help with the cost.

Even the DS, which was a lot cheaper at $150, took me about five months to pay off without trade-ins.

I totally admit that stuff looks a lot nicer in HD and that Nintendo shouldn't have left out HD compatibility in the Rev. but at the same time, if not being a supercomputer means I can buy a Revolution for under $200, I'm all for it.
 
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Well, I think generally companies assume you're only buying their systems. It's not really a good business practice for a business to make sure you have enough money left over to buy the competition's products.

$400 a system is a lot (like paying $350 for a Cube, which was the going rate when they first came out in Canada) but space that over 5 years (hopefully at least) and you're only paying $8 a month for it. And $50 a game really isn't that bad, I guess our minimum wage is a little bit higher than over there in the states, but $50 games are a rare treat here. I've been shelling out around $60 a game ($70 with tax) for years now.

I had a thought when I started reading this but I forgot what it was while I read the rest of the thread. I'm all for intelligent discussions but you guys really take it to the limits.
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Imagine if we discussed things that actually mattered. :lol
 
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hey... is pickle king ever coming back? :D
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Well, I really don't think so. Maybe sometime later if he wants to do a big rant, but I think he feels that he said what he wanted to and will leave it at that. Plus he's pretty busy with work, school, and his own website.

Well, I think generally companies assume you're only buying their systems. It's not really a good business practice for a business to make sure you have enough money left over to buy the competition's products.
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Thats one thing that is sort of nice about the Rev. Once you buy the system, you can download all sorts of old games for it. True, you do need money to buy the new ones, but you still have something to do while you get the money for them.

Imagine if we discussed things that actually mattered. :lol
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I'd rather not. My head might explode.
 
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