ITS OFFICIAL: : Nintendo's "Revolution" is off my "must have" list (My rant)

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Okay, that made me feel a little better. :lol

My tv is a 16" cheap off-brand thing i got last year. Before that I had an old console (I think that's what they were called. :-\) tv. You know, the HUGE ones that sat on the floor.
 
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Welcome LT1Fun, hope you stick around.

I want to touch on a some points here. Some have already been touched but I thought I would throw my two cents in. First off, HD tv's. No they are not that cheap yet. They are cheaper now then when they first came on the market but they are still not that cheap. Especially for a decent sized one. I dont mean a "60 like yours but a nice "20. Those still go for around $500-$700. I know because I was actually looking for a TV today when I was Christams shopping. The only one I could afford was the "14 that was still $300. That's quite a bit for most households in America. It's still going to be a good 5 years before HD becomes standard. Plenty of time for their next console (yes I believe there will be a next one) to be HD standard.

Second, technology. Not using DVD's in the first place is dumb. That was the first thing I said when I saw the first pics of the GC. But you know what I dont regret buying it at all. It still delivered for me as far as gaming quality is concerned. There is a difference between the technologies you are speaking of. Yes I do want them to use DVD's, yes I would like them to have hard drives. I dont need a game with super High Def graphics as long as it's fun. I noticed you said this:

Yes you do care about graphics. Everybody does otherwise we'd all still be playing "pong" on the Atari 2600. That was a super fun game too

Pong was fun, back in it's hey day. The point is every game is going to age, but the ones that age well are the ones that have great gameplay. And that is where I hope Nintendo succeeds. You dont need all those graphcis to make a great game. You also said this:

There are some points you made that I agree with but others I don't. For example, you say that MetaGear was a success not because of it's graphics but for it's story/gameplay. I respectfully disagree. The one aspect of the game that got everybody so excited when they first saw it were it's amazing graphics. That's all anybody could talk about because nobody had seen graphics that good, not just in a MetalGear game but on any home console before. I remember looking at prieviews in magazines and online thinking "wow... that games looks awesome!!" I had no idea what the story or gameplay was like, all I knew was that this game had the best graphics I'd ever seen. Myself and probably everybody else who saw the game thought the same.

It was the graphics that drew us to the game. As far as the gameplay, I agree that was a major reason for the games success but the reason why the gamplay was so good was because of the graphics. The jump to 3D changed the MetalGear franchise forever. It changed the way we looked at the game and more importanty, it changed the way we PLAYED the game. That game simply wouldn't have been possible on any other system at the time and it was made possible by the Playstation's powerful chipset and CD-rom format. Like I said, great games are made possible by advancements in technology.

I agree graphics are nice but they arent what made the original Metal Gear for the PS1 a great game. It WAS because of it's story and gameplay. Without that MG would have bombed because graphics aren't everything. Sure the graphics on that game were good, but for a PS1 game. It would have looked way better on an N64. But the power of the PS1 was not the reason why Konami went with that platform, obviously. Another reason why it was so good was because the jump to 3D, not because of the graphics, It's two totally different things you're talking about, they're not the same. The PS1 did not have a very powerful chipset and it wasnt the most powerful at that time either, but that didnt stop Konami from making the game now did it? Nope it was because they were able to work around that and focus on the gameplay. You're also talking about two different kinds of advancements. It's either the advancement of the chipsets to create more power or the advancement of other technologies such as storage capacitly like DVD and CD playability.

Thats it for now. Im pooped and Ill write some more later. :)
 
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Alright time for round two. :) I also want to say that Im also not a fanboy of any system. It might look like Im a Nintendo fanboy from some of posts around here but the truth is I dont want to see the great games that Nintendo makes go away. I still love Zelda and Mario (The true mario games) and they havent failed me yet, so being a gamer myself, I would not want them to go away. Same with the other two consoles. I dont want them to go away either. I didnt want Sega to stop making consoles. But there is only so much you can do. Anyways,

The Remote. I honestly dont see what's so bad about it and by that I mean the looks of it. The playability is a whole other subject that I wlll touch on in little bit. So it looks like a remote. Ok....so is that so wrong? Does it have to conform to a certain standard? I can see people doubting it because it doesnt look like it can handle their favorite games such as Smash Brothers or a Sports title. But those to me are more legitimate reasons. Complaining about the looks of it makes me think that some of you are shallow and only care about aesthetics. Not saying that any of you are since I dont know any of you, but thats the impression Im getting. How about actually giving it a chance and see for yourself before you make a judgement like "The Revolution is off my must have list".

Like I said before in other Revolution topics. I dont know if it's going to succeed, but I wont be surprised if it fails. I just wish people would give it a chance before people write it off. Obviously you dont have to, but thats what Im hoping. It sucks that I actually have to say that about a Nintendo console but unfortunately the times have changed and they are the ones looking up. As a gamer I want to give it a chance and see what it has to offer. I dont want to miss out on potential games that could become instant classics.
 
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creepindeth04 said:
Alright time for round two. :) I also want to say that Im also not a fanboy of any system. It might look like Im a Nintendo fanboy from some of posts around here but the truth is I dont want to see the great games that Nintendo makes go away. I still love Zelda and Mario (The true mario games) and they havent failed me yet, so being a gamer myself, I would not want them to go away. Same with the other two consoles. I dont want them to go away either. I didnt want Sega to stop making consoles. But there is only so much you can do. Anyways,

The Remote. I honestly dont see what's so bad about it and by that I mean the looks of it. The playability is a whole other subject that I wlll touch on in little bit. So it looks like a remote. Ok....so is that so wrong? Does it have to conform to a certain standard? I can see people doubting it because it doesnt look like it can handle their favorite games such as Smash Brothers or a Sports title. But those to me are more legitimate reasons. Complaining about the looks of it makes me think that some of you are shallow and only care about aesthetics. Not saying that any of you are since I dont know any of you, but thats the impression Im getting. How about actually giving it a chance and see for yourself before you make a judgement like "The Revolution is off my must have list".

Like I said before in other Revolution topics. I dont know if it's going to succeed, but I wont be surprised if it fails. I just wish people would give it a chance before people write it off. Obviously you dont have to, but thats what Im hoping. It sucks that I actually have to say that about a Nintendo console but unfortunately the times have changed and they are the ones looking up. As a gamer I want to give it a chance and see what it has to offer. I dont want to miss out on potential games that could become instant classics.

I agree with you on the fact that we should give the REV a chance. Like I said, I've owned (and still own) all the consoles ever made by Nintendo. Even had the "virtualboy" at one point or another (though that's not really a console is it ? Actually I don't know what the hell it's classified as :lol )

Obviously, I'm still a huge fan of Nintendo (today I had the day off and got all the way up to "King Hipo" in Mike Tyson's Punch out using my PowerGlove - hows THAT for hard core, tough guy !! :lol ) I agree that at the end of the day, it really is all about the games after all. My post was just to vent out some steam I suppose. I guess I'm just a bit miffed that Nintendo has this whole "we're not competing with Sony/MS and we don't care about about next-gen graphcs/gameplay" attitude.

I really wanted them to "go all out" with this system and give Sony/MS a run for their money. It'd be nice to have Nintendo back on top again, but it just doesn't look like it's going to happen, not with this console anyway. I'll probably buy one just for the hell of it, but I really don't see myself playing too many of it's newer games compared to what I'll be playing with PS3 and even 360.
 
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LT1FUN said:
I agree with you on the fact that we should give the REV a chance. Like I said, I've owned (and still own) all the consoles ever made by Nintendo. Even had the "virtualboy" at one point or another (though that's not really a console is it ? Actually I don't know what the hell it's classified as :lol )

Me too. Im currently trying to get a virtualboy if possible.

Obviously, I'm still a huge fan of Nintendo (today I had the day off and got all the way up to "King Hipo" in Mike Tyson's Punch out using my PowerGlove - hows THAT for hard core, tough guy !! :lol ) I agree that at the end of the day, it really is all about the games after all. My post was just to vent out some steam I suppose. I guess I'm just a bit miffed that Nintendo has this whole "we're not competing with Sony/MS and we don't care about about next-gen graphcs/gameplay" attitude.

It doesnt matter who they are competing against. As long as they make quality games. The games will speak for themselves when everything is all said and done.

I really wanted them to "go all out" with this system and give Sony/MS a run for their money. It'd be nice to have Nintendo back on top again, but it just doesn't look like it's going to happen, not with this console anyway. I'll probably buy one just for the hell of it, but I really don't see myself playing too many of it's newer games compared to what I'll be playing with PS3 and even 360.

Funny thats how I feel about the 360. Right now the games it's offering dont appeal to me, but Im going to get one eventually because there will be some games that I will like and are worth getting. Nintendo did go all out, just not in the way we expected them to. That's why Im kind of concerned about their console future. Well, we'll see wont we? :)
 
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So everyone here at GA should create a system. :lol Then there'd be no discussions on which is the best system out there! haha :p
 
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I'm all for Revoulution due to the downloadable content and rumours of it going online, but i'm still not over that controller. Infact it's not even a controller. >:( I hope it's changed soon.
 
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Retro Hero said:
I'm all for Revoulution due to the downloadable content and rumours of it going online, but i'm still not over that controller. Infact it's not even a controller. >:( I hope it's changed soon.

But it is a controller. It just happens to be also be held like a remote, which can also be turned around to be used as a traditional controller like the original NES. I hope Nintendo sticks to their guns and keeps it. Im personally looking forward to what kind of games Nintendo and other third parties (whichever ones actually jump on) have in mind.
 
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I'm all for the old-school thing, but Nintendo have finally taken it too far. I just can't play a game anymore without thinking how it wouldn't work with a one handed controller. And a huge complaint Nintendo already hears is how they change too much in their first party games. The news of the "remote control controller" hasn't done them any favours. They're losing it, IMO.
 
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Jeez LT1FUN! You have this great, big tv and you don't even have floorstanding speakers? And where's the subwoofer, you do have one don't do...? What are those speakers you have now? They look like Jbl Northridge series in the pics.
 
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did anyone stop and think that Nintendo is the only console making company doing something different?sony and microsoft are sticking with the"more power/better graphics" thing,and that great for them,so we have two company's pushing the tech forward....dont you think its about time someone changed the way we play games?i for one am looking forward to what Nintendo will do with the revolution more than the other two systems combined....as for the lack of HD support,if they want the system to be inexpensive then they probable had to drop HD,and frankly i dont really care.HD is not a big deal to me,i have played 360 games on a nice 30 inch TV at my friends house...sure its sharper,and has better definition,but the games are not more fun to play just because they have better definition...HD is not as big a jump as black and white to color.now back to the revolution...just think of the possibilities!!it could be the next mile stone in gaming,and if any company can pull it off,its Nintendo
 
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dont you think its about time someone changed the way we play games?

No. I like videogames the way they are, always have. I like innovative titles and games that do things I've never seen/done before, but I don't want a drastic change in the way I play games. I've never once even thought of saying "awww man, these two handed controllers are lame, I wish a company would come out with something so radically different that I wouldn't even be able to imagine what kind of games would run on it."

And a huge complaint Nintendo already hears is how they change too much in their first party games.

Agreed. I think Nintendo might be shooting themselves in the foot in the sense that they won't even have a traditional Zelda/Mario game to help them boost sales. Honestly, I bought my GC for a Zelda that would sport better graphics, and even though my GC broke before they could provide one, I probably will buy another one just to play it. That's something that just isn't gonna happen on the Revolution, or at least, I can't imagine it ever happening. Not having a graphical update on my favorite Nintendo franchises alone is going to keep me from buying a Revolution for a long time, until I really see a killer game on it. In fact, I almost don't want to see a Mario or Zelda game on it, it would probably just be too dissapointing and I'd end up saying "I wish they'd come out with new characters and stories for games that are this different in the series." and I'd continue to accuse them of slapping a popular mascot on a game just to give it more attention *cough*DonkeyKonga1&2MarioDDRandmanyothers*cough*.

Until I see an actual game running on a Revolution, and until I play one myself, there is no way I'm gonna buy this thing, simply because I don't know what it is I'm buying.
 
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Alright, it's my turn I guess. I have read through all your arguments and taken notes (this is how much I care :) )

First of all, again with the HD stuff. I have played games on the big HD tv screens, I even played RE4 on it, and it wasn't that bad. I mean, sure I could tell some pixelation there, but I was more involved with the game. And like it was said before, HD isn't quite the standard yet to the "casual" and "average" gamer. The casual gamer, which I am willing to guess is more of than the hard-core gamers (but I'm also willing to admit I'm wrong if I am), doesn't care about the greatest graphics. They just wanna play a fun game for a half hour or more. I really don't understand how the whole basis of an argument is about graphics. I mean, how would you like to play a game with the SUPREME graphics, even if its boring and stupid. Unless you just wanna stare in awe at the main screen for days, I take it you would find it a bad game.

Now, you look at RE4 and it looked great. Now, with the Rev, its gonna be twice as powerful. Not bad if you ask me. I do give credit to the other two companies for their endeavor of ultimate power and graphics, but I will stick with Nintendo. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to play games for the other systems.

I wanted to make a note about the emulators. I personally don't think it really captures the real effect the game had when it first came out. I mean, it was mentioned that you can make them cleaner and better to look at, but while we're at it, why don't we just make them supremely awesome graphics with just the same game. Indeed it would be nice to look at, but once you play it for a while, it doesn't make as much difference.

Now, some made arguments about how great the Metal Gear game was. I loved playing that game on the PSX. I played a demo of it over and over, then looked for like a year to get that game. And when they came out with the new one, yes I was in awe about the graphics, but when I played I was a bit dissapointed. First of all, I suppose it was because I was a bit decieved and realized it was the same game. And also they redid the voice acting and they didn't sound right. But I dealt with it and played and it was all the same, and soon the enhanced graphics meant nothing.

And speaking of the Playstation. I believe they had the weakest chip set of the 3 systems in this generation of consoles. I mean, RE4 went from looking great to looking pretty beat up from what I could tell. This is also where I could add my little mini-rant about how Capcom always cheats Nintendo out of deals.

Now, it was said that Nintendo is being ignorant and not listening to consumers. This could possibly be true, but perhaps they are. After all, a major fan base is in Asia, and many Nintendo gamers are casual gamers, not the hard-core buy-the-best-of-everything gamers. Nintendo might actually be listening to people. And if they aren't, you are saying that you would like to have them copy all the other companies. What happned to the good old days when games were made to bring entertainment. I mean, the second games were big and could be used to make a profit, companies just slaughtered peoples wallets.

Another note. Like I said above, I still have a B&W TV with a VHS player and still buy VHS, play my NES, and play pong.

At one point I read that Nintendo is in fact trying to cater to both hard-core and casual gamers. They are trying to get deals for more of the mature games like RE4 that do so well as well as keep with the great games they have like Zelda. And speaking of them, I am always excited about a new game of Zelda and Mario (though not ones where they just slap them in there just to make sales). And the new Zelda, how long have they worked on it? Even if it isnt the best graphics I've seen, I am sure the gameplay will make up for it.

And now for the controller. Yes, it does look like a remote for the TV. But all these years controllers have pretty much done the same as a remote, havent they? They control what a piece of equipment does. Like it was said earlier, there is no standard of what a remote has to be. And on top of that, they still have the attachments to make it a two-handed deal that will most likely come free with the game.

I said in another topic that this controller could be incredible, or at least a huge step in the right direction. I mean, imagine swinging the thing like a bat instead of just pressing a button, or swinging it like a sword, or whatever. This could be a step towards virtual reality. If the other 2 companies kept going like this, they could perhaps discover holograms to play, and then Nintendo would have the missing link and make it like virtual reality. Think about it! Or, an even more clever ploy is that Nintendo is fiddling with this, while secretly creating a powerful system with incredible graphics, and with technology making something new close to a hologram. I mean, this controller opens up a lot of possibilities. People just have to stop and think ahead instead of looking at it and scoffing at it.

Lastly, I hope Nintendo is lying a little bit. I hope they still have a lot of tricks up their sleeve and are waiting until its released to surprise everyone and are really trying for some serious competition with the other companies. By trying to appeal to both casual and hard-core gamers, there must be something in the works.

Now, I do have to make some points on what I agree with. I hate the tiny disks. They were interesting for the cube, but I really was hoping they would go to the standard size disk. This is probably the only area where I was thinking that they would kinda conform and make a standard. Oh well. At least its not the old cartidge. Those simply took up too much room.

I guess thats all the arguing I have for now. Really, we can sit and debate about this all we want, but I think the only we can make a rock solid decision about this is when it comes out and we try it. Its just too ignorant to write it off before it even comes out.
 
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x2 said:
Jeez LT1FUN! You have this great, big tv and you don't even have floorstanding speakers? And where's the subwoofer, you do have one don't do...? What are those speakers you have now? They look like JBL Northridge series in the pics.

I used to have floor standing speakers (JBL) but I switched over to bookshelf because I'm able to position them exactly towards the seating position and get much better imaging. Come to think of it, they're not exactly "bookshelf" speakers really, they're bigger than that, just not as big as floor standing models. I cut the speaker stands to lower the position of the speakers so that they're pretty much at "ear level" to the seating position.. Again, the result is much better imaging. Took me like 5 hours to set everything up the way I wanted though, what a pain in the neck. :D

The subwoof I run is a 12" Velodyne. Cost me an arm and a leg unfortunately, but it was well worth it. Its an unbelievable sub. Velodyne make the best subs in the world in my opinion. I only wish my parents felt the same, but they're more concerned with all the picture frames falling off the walls up stairs, whenever I have the bass turned up 1/4 way :lol

My dad's not too fond of having to replace fuses 3-4 times a week either :lol: Time to get a circuit breaker...

Oh and yes, all the speakers are Northridge series. You've got sharp eye's. :)
 
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Awesome! I have a 10'' Velodyne, the vx-10 to be exact. It's not much but for $180 it's not to bad. My mains are floorstanders {Athena F2.2's} but the sub rounds out the bass just right. I use a Harman Kardon avr-330. I just want to upgrade the sub to a better Velodyne or maybe one of Outlaw Audio's subs. I noticed those Jbl's because I used to own them, or at least one's just like them. They were good speakers on their own but I had a really mismatched setup so they went as a package deal when I upgraded. Heh, I guess I will say I'd like some digital audio support from Nintendo. It's quite an experience playing Halo in Dolby Digital. On the flood levels it creeps me out cause' you can hear the flood behind you out of the surround speakers :o
 
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x2 said:
Heh, I guess I will say I'd like some digital audio support from Nintendo.

You know what? I hadn't even thought about that. Knowing Nintendo, they'll probably skip that feature too since most don't have 5.1 surround sound. AHHHHHH !! Dam you Nintendo !! >:( x1000

(Just kidding) :lol
 
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LT1FUN said:
You know what? I hadn't even thought about that. Knowing Nintendo, they'll probably skip that feature too since most don't have 5.1 surround sound. AHHHHHH !! Dam you Nintendo !! >:( x1000

(Just kidding) :lol

This is one opinion I can agree with. I have a 5.1 system so I would like it utilized. Oh well.
 
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guitarwizard said:
dont you think its about time someone changed the way we play games?

Yes and no. Nobody has to change the way we play games but Im glad Nintendo is trying something different. I look at it this way, Sony and MS are already providing great games and the same franchises that everybody loves. They improved their systems to run better graphics, etc., etc.. Nintendo just happens to provide something different. Is better? We dont know yet. It just offers something else besides the usual that Sony and MS already give us. There is nothing wrong with what the other two are doing. It's great actually, but there is nothing wrong with another company trying something new.
 
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Good news everyone, this topic has grown so big this discussion alone convinced me to register. Post #1:
First off, LT1FUN, I notice you have about a billion dollars worth of stuff in your entertainment center :o, and I know most of the gamers I know (especially supporters of Nintendo) don't exactly have the $3.5K to toss around for an HD TV.
Second, I have a single friend whose parents own a 59" HD TV. I've played Halo 2 on it but instead of improving the graphics everything looked really blurry (Maybe cuz it was the first X-Box) and they also had that HD cable they've been advertising... same thing. I actually found myself wanting to go downstairs to his old 36" that's about 7 years old.
Third, I believe that if the Revolution doesn't succeed it won't be for lack of great games or innovation, it will be the fact that the Microsoft and Sony mind control chips will completely discredit it before it's launch and the millions of zombies who care only about graphics and refuse to play any game without a Mature rating will heave a collective "Unnngghh...". I showed a friend, who was a major X-Box fan, Pikmin. He saw the Everyone rating and practically cringed. Nintendo will be forced out of business because of peoples ignorance and continuing appreciation of graphics and the same FPSs rereleased with a different skin instead of the innovation and attempts at something different. This may anger many and produce a riot similar to this one of it's own but I have to say it... I thought Halo 2 was semi-okay. It seemed like they just took most of the clones of FPSs and shoved them into a giant pile, then tried to weld them together. (Plz don't kill me X-Box fanatics!!!) That's what truly scared me about the Revolution was the lack of conformity. After awhile of thinking (and convincing from some friends) I finally realized that I would much rather try the innovation of the Revolution over the power of the 360 anyday. I still hope to get the 360 but only as a secondary goal and even then mostly just to get the third party company games who are to afraid to try Nintendo. (I also refuse to pay Microsoft directly, only pawnshops for me :lol)

And as a parting note I would like to point out, Nintendo can be as Mature as the other systems. I used to be subscribed to Nintendo Power (similar to XBM or PSM for those who don't know). For the 24 months I received the magazine Resident Evil was within the top 5 best selling games of the month and was accompanied by Resident Evil 0 and 3 for the last, about 5 months I got it. Not to say the other systems suck, just thought that was interesting...

P.S. EGA RULEZ (don't hurt me plz!)
 
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Welcome the boards Pickle_King. Glad you decided to join us. :)
 
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