List your Top 10 essential gamecube games

Nightwolf said:
This just in. I heard about the PS2 version of Resi4, and it's confirmed they have the entire team working on it to make it the best Resi ever, and although it might not looks as good as the Cube version it will have more levels, more monsters and more weapons. Shortly it will looks a bit worse than on Cube, but it will be worth it.

Oh, and Resi 5 is confirmed for PS3, but not for the Cube. ;)
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Well then they more then made up for the graphics. Its ok if RE 5 is not for the cube. As long as the game is good then Ill buy it. But I still firmly believe that Capcom should have left RE 4 on the cube. It would've helped Nintendo.
 
... or Nintendo could stopp messing around and actually make good games for a change? ;) Seriously, the nintendo are aimed at young people, and the PS2 and X-Box are aimed at older people. That is why Resi4 is about the only Cube game with gore in it, if I'm not too mistaken.
 
Nightwolf said:
... or Nintendo could stopp messing around and actually make good games for a change? ;) Seriously, the nintendo are aimed at young people, and the PS2 and X-Box are aimed at older people. That is why Resi4 is about the only Cube game with gore in it, if I'm not too mistaken.
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The whole "why doesnt nintendo make a good game for once" is your opinion. I think they make great games. And the reason they got RE 4 and other "M" rated games is so that they can start to get some of the older people back to their system. Look at PS 2 and x-box. They have way more support from third parties. If they only made games themselves and didnt have much support like Nintendo they would probably be in the same boat. Why do you think that PS became so popular when it came out? Because of their strong first party games? :lol No. Its because they were able to get big name companies to develop for their system. I would have liked RE 4 to stay on the cube so Nintendo could have gotten a nice boost in sales.
 
I heard that a straight port of the game from GC to PS2 hurt the game really bad. I guess maybe that's why Capcom's working so hard to make up for the damaged technical side, but I don't think it will really be enough. An extra level and boss isn't gonna make up for a game that looks remarkably better on another system. Maybe I'm just a graphics nut, but if the game is coming out a year later, it shouldn't look like it came out 3 years before.

... or Nintendo could stopp messing around and actually make good games for a change?   Seriously, the nintendo are aimed at young people, and the PS2 and X-Box are aimed at older people. That is why Resi4 is about the only Cube game with gore in it, if I'm not too mistaken.
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Hey, picking fights with Nintendo fans is my job  :lol. Seriously though, you're lucky I've converted to the dark side, otherwise I'd be all over that statement. Nintendo (undeniably) makes good games. If they're not your cup of tea that's one thing, to say Nintendo doesn't make any good games is another. And when you say that on a GC forum, you're asking for an arguement, and its going to be one you're probably going to lose.

Edit: just fixed a modded version of this post where I referred to myself as a "graphics lady" instead of what I initially said, which was much more fitting.
 
stealth toilet said:
I heard that a straight port of the game from GC to PS2 hurt the game really bad. I guess maybe that's why Capcom's working so hard to make up for the damaged technical side, but I don't think it will really be enough. An extra level and boss isn't gonna make up for a game that looks remarkably better on another system. Maybe I'm just a graphics lady, but if the game is coming out a year later, it shouldn't look like it came out 3 years before.

Hey, picking fights with Nintendo fans is my job :lol. Seriously though, you're lucky I've converted to the dark side, otherwise I'd be all over that statement. Nintendo (undeniably) makes good games. If they're not your cup of tea that's one thing, to say Nintendo doesn't make any good games is another. And when you say that on a GC forum, you're asking for an arguement, and its going to be one you're probably going to lose.
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Very true about the graphics thing but I actually think they might do a lot more than just an extra boss and level. I dont know im just an optimist like that. And although I do spend time defending the Cube a lot lately, im not a fanboy. I just like to play games. I own(ed) all the latest systems and played through most of the big name games out there. But one thing that Ive learned is that Nintendo makes good/great games. I especially love the zelda series. I dont know why I just do. I have a lot of fun playing those games.
 
Nightwolf said:
... or Nintendo could stopp messing around and actually make good games for a change?  ;) Seriously, the nintendo are aimed at young people, and the PS2 and X-Box are aimed at older people. That is why Resi4 is about the only Cube game with gore in it, if I'm not too mistaken.
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I know I'm a little young at 22 (going on 23 this month), but I just really disagree with the whole statement you are trying to make. Just because a game is rated M doesn't necessarily mean that it's mature. Look at GTA. I think that's more juvenile and adolescent than some of the E-rated games I've played. Its whole point is violence for the sake of violence. The plot is lame at best.

Personally I feel that just because a game might have blood, gore, and guns does not make a game more appealing to an older audience. A good plot goes a LLLOOOOOONNNNGGGG way. A bloodfest is juvenile and uncalled for. Basically, if more "adult-friendly" games means ridiculous violence, then give me more Wind Waker any day. But if someone makes more adult games through creative, gripping plots then that's awesome.

If you look at something like Metroid Prime (rated T), I'd call that a mature game even though it's not rated M. Same thing with FFX (rated T) and Tales of Symphonia (also a T). I think Xenosaga is also rated T as well, and that definitely has mature themes.

But if you're curious if I think that there are any mature games that are M-rated games, yes. Halo, God of War, and Resident Evil 4 come to mind. That's the kind of mature game that I would like all M-rated games to be.
 
Sorry Mai, doesn't work that way. "Mature" games are given to games that include "mature" themes, i.e. violence, sexually suggestive content, strong language, and so on. The word "mature" implies one has to be a certain age to view such material, it has nothing to do with how "juvenile" the content may be. Though I certainly wouldn't consider killing people for the mafia in GTA 3 "juvenile". A juvenile mind would probably not understand GTA 3, and if any kind of understanding was reached it would probably be fairly a disturbed one. A mature mind on the other hand could play the game and remain competely unphased by its content.

Mature ratings for videogames are just the equivalent of Restricted ratings for movies. A poor choice of words, that's argueable, but I really don't see why a game like Metroid Prime can't be purchased by someone under 18.
 
I guess my point was that I want good games, not adult games. Sure I love "God of War" as much as anyone, but the sex and gore only enchant an already great game. GTA have potential, but again the "adult" theme only enchant it. The game would be great even if tuned down to get a Teen rating. That said, I did enjoy Kingdom Hearts quite a bit even though it's aimed at kids. It doesn't have gore, and the violence are no worse than you find in any Disney movie.
Another point would be Midnight Club 3. This is pretty much the only racing-game I have beat the last ten years (that and SSX3), and you can't even run over the pedestrians. Sure you could add gore when running them down, but this isn't Death Race 2000. Adding that kind of "adultness" would only mess up the game, not enchant it.

Point is sex, violence and gore can seriously spice up an already great game, if used "correct" and fits into the rest of the game. It does not make a great game alone, and in fact it can even ruin a great game if it doesn't fit. It's great in God of War and GTA, but I wouldn't want blood and gore in Kingdom Hearts 2.

And think about Ultimate Hulk. You can stampede through the streets and smash everything in sight, and yes, you could even squash the pedestrians. However, the Hulk is a Marvel super-hero, and as we all know, Marvel heroes don't kill people. The result is no matter how angry the Hulk gets, he can't kill people.
 
"And think about Ultimate Hulk. You can stampede through the streets and smash everything in sight, and yes, you could even squash the pedestrians. However, the Hulk is a Marvel super-hero, and as we all know, Marvel heroes don't kill people. The result is no matter how angry the Hulk gets, he can't kill people."

Actually in the actual comics, they do kill. At least some of them do. Which is one of the reasons why comic book characters are changed for movies. They are perceived to be "good, innocent people." I dont know much about the Hulk, so I dont know if he kills or not.
 
Well what I was trying to say was that the fact that a game may be rated M does not necessarily mean that it will appeal to all adults. For example, I am an adult, and the majority of M rated games don't appeal to me. There's a few here and there that I have really liked, but I get the same amount of enjoyment, if not more, out of games that are rated T and E.

In short, throwing blood, gore, violence, sexual themes, and anything else that necessitates an M rating is not automatically going to catch my eye.

Nightwolf made a great point and said a lot of what I was trying to say.

Point is sex, violence and gore can seriously spice up an already great game, if used "correct" and fits into the rest of the game. It does not make a great game alone, and in fact it can even ruin a great game if it doesn't fit. It's great in God of War and GTA, but I wouldn't want blood and gore in Kingdom Hearts 2.
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stealth, you missed my point. I never said that Metroid Prime deserves an M rating. I said that it's a mature game. And by that I mean that, while no, it doesn't have blood or gore, it's not a light-hearted game like Super Mario Sunshine. Same thing with FFX. It has a storyline with mature themes like death and religion.

And what I meant by saying that GTA is juvenile, consider this: Has anyone ever noticed that it's not always the adults that are demanding these games, it's mostly kids who are too young to play mature rated games anyway? Getting health from a hooker and then killing her to get your money back is not mature, and that's why the game appeals to a lot of immature people.
 
I think you missed my point as well, but I'm not gonna bother trying to hammer it down, as we're not really argueing the same thing. I do, however, have 2 things to say.

Has anyone ever noticed that it's not always the adults that are demanding these games, it's mostly kids who are too young to play mature rated games anyway?
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As far as I knew it was people (mostly men) 18 and over that demanded these games. Unless you read a poll or statistic stating otherwise, I don't see why you'd think otherwise.

the fact that a game may be rated M does not necessarily mean that it will appeal to all adults. For example, I am an adult, and the majority of M rated games don't appeal to me.
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A "mature" rating is not a genre that is meant to appeal to certain people. An "E" rating doesn't mean the game appeals to everyone, it just means it can be viewed by everyone. Mature ratings simply means the game contains content that is not suitable for younger audiences, it doesn't mean its supposed to appeal to upper class, sophisticated, "mature" people.
 
stealth toilet said:
As far as I knew it was people (mostly men) 18 and over that demanded these games. Unless you read a poll or statistic stating otherwise, I don't see why you'd think otherwise.
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No polls, but I work in video game retail. Admittedly, there are a lot of adults that come in to buy GTA for themselves. But in most cases, the parents are buying it for their kid. I'd say it's probably about 60/40, with 60% of the purchases being for kids under 17. In comparison, God of War's probably more skewed the opposite, with probably about 80% of people buying it for themselves and only 20% buying it for their kids. It's different for every game, though.

stealth toilet said:
A "mature" rating is not a genre that is meant to appeal to certain people. An "E" rating doesn't mean the game appeals to everyone, it just means it can be viewed by everyone. Mature ratings simply means the game contains content that is not suitable for younger audiences, it doesn't mean its supposed to appeal to upper class, sophisticated, "mature" people.
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Yeah, that's my point, actually.
 
Take a look at those animated movies we've had the last few years. Shrek and Shrek2 being excellent examples. At the start of the first one, several villagers with pitchforks and torches try to kill Shrek. This scene is quite fun, but when I saw it I recognized it right away as a scene from Frankenstein. How many of todays children do you think have seen this movie? (as a hint, it's from the early 1930's). Shrek2? Fairy Godmother, could easily have been the Fairy Godfather. I waited to hear about "an offer he can't refuse". ;) And don't get me started on that cat. It had references to more movies that I bother mentioning, and not one of them are children movies.

The point is this is just two examples of children movies with "adult" themes thrown in. The fairy Godmother can be fun for the kids, but I really don't think they know who she was really based on. And neither should they. Why can't games be like this? Just because a game has a "fun" theme", it doesn't mean it can't be aimed at adults just as well as kids. We can include a lot of things like this to amuse the adults without adding blood and gore.

That said, let's face it. We are adults, and we know what we want. Different games. No matter how fun Shrek can be, it doesn't mean I'm not waiting for the next Alien movie (if they leave out Ripley) or Jason X-2. A new Elm Street could be fun. I'd like to say I want another Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but I have seen the original part 2. It wasn't good. At all. Movies like this needs blood and gore to be entertaining, but at least we know what to expect.

But on the other hand, the first Friday 13th didn't really have that much blood and gore. Instead of seeing the axe hit the head, we saw the shadow of the axe hit the shadow of the head. This worked just as well as it would have with blood in it.

Bottom line is we don't need blood and gore in every single adult game out there, but we need that in some.
 
Guess I'm late on this one, but I have to respond to a few of Stealth's opinions.

Ikaruga (Only on the Jpn Dreamcast)
Never played it. Looked like fun, but also looked like I've played a thousand games just like it, and probably for free too.
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First game I've seen that has polarity/bullet absorbing.  Also probably the hardest one I've ever seen or played.  Stage four still gives me trouble.

Metroid Prime
For fans of the series. Or at least it must be, because I can't understand why anyone would play this game. This is the only FPS to consistently give me motion sickness, which might be because I was so bored while playing this game my eyes kept wandering off to more interesting things, like my wall.

Metroid Prime 2
Ditto.
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The reason you dislike it is most likely due to the fact that you expect to be constantly shooting something.  There's a reason why many people start getting extremely angry over others calling it an FPS.

Kirby's airride
Completely underwhelming. Did anyone care about this game? Even if it was good?
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I cared about it.  Hell, before my friend got Double Dash, me and him loved the living hell out of it.  True, it lacks many stages, but has an over abundance of vehicles to use.  There's also City Trial mode, which allows you to get powerups and make the crappiest ARM better than the rest.

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
Copy of FF:CC = $60, extra controllers = $200, playing FF on GC with 3 buddies = Not worth it. For everything FF, there's a PS2.
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Anyone who got this game and expected to get GBA's as controllers for their friends should be shot multiple times.  GBA is the best selling system out there.  If your friends don't have it, then that's your own stupidity for buying the game.  But even so, I'm sure it could've been executed without GBA usage, as multiple menus were uneccesary.  Also, as of right now, PS2 only has 2 FF, one of which is an MMORPG.  Three are PSX, the rest SNES and NES.

[Zelda: Wind Waker
Instead of getting the Zelda everyone dreamed of we got this nightmare. This game was far too easy, far too long, and far too cutesy to even warrant a purchase. Solid gameplay can only get you so far.
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I can agree with long and easy.  However, the game's storyline was much more serious and in-depth than any of the previous LoZ.  Graphics didn't bother me a bit, and I won't go into any more detail on that.

F-zero GX
Incredible speed, incredible challenge, incredible courses. Buy it now.
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F-Zero series have always been great.  Duh :lol

Zelda: 4 Swords
Great idea, great execution, great way to screw it up: connectivity. Nintendo shot themselves in the foot with this one. They had a great product, but the connectivity was tacky, unnecessary, and expensive. Though admittedly it was neat at times.
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Ditto on FF: CC.  Did I mention that this game in particular would've been virtually impossible without the GBA's?
 
Sorry for double posting...

Point is sex, violence and gore can seriously spice up an already great game, if used "correct" and fits into the rest of the game. It does not make a great game alone, and in fact it can even ruin a great game if it doesn't fit. It's great in God of War and GTA, but I wouldn't want blood and gore in Kingdom Hearts 2.
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I don't have the book with me now, but there is a book out there that has arguments for and against video games (mainly on issues such as violence and "enforced sterotypes").

Anyway, in terms of game desgining, violence is considered the easiest "tool" to use to make a video game fun. Sure, there are others, such as storylines, item creation, etc. Violence in general, though, is probably the easiest way to do anything in a game.
 
That really depends on the game. Blood, violence and gore can spice up a great game if it "belongs there", but if it don't it just makes things worse. Example: Punisher lets you play a homicidal maniac out for revenge and let you get very creative when killing people. Put them in a wood chipper, stab them as many times as possible before they die, burn them, etc etc etc. Quite gross, but it works in a game like this. Mercenaries lets you play a mercenary, so some violence are required. You can shoot people, blow up buildings, handcuff people and put C4 under their head and so on, but you can't do much more than that. You can't for instance put the people in a wood chipper or cut them in half with a battle axe. There's nothing stopping the developers from addings some good, old Punisher fun in Mercenaries, but it doesn't belong there and would drag the quality down quite a bit.

That said, there are games like the Outlaw series. (Outlaw Gof, Tennis, Volleyball etc). These should be normal sportsgames, but taken to the extreme. In short, the golf version lets you beat up your caddie if you miss the shot. This on the other hand is more "cartoon" violence and much more fun than, say, having realistic violence complete with blood and gore. You can't for instance chop up your caddie with a chainsaw or run after the opponents with a shotgun. ;)
 
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