Looks like the real Umbrella corporation has started

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creepindeth04

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Well not really but apparently a group of doctors have been able to revive dead dogs. You can read all about it here.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160903,00.html
 
The dogs are technically not dead, they just don't have brain- or heart activity. No side-effects are known, except quite a few got very interested in politics. :lol
 
man... some of that stuff is just freaky, you know?

they are going to mess with the wrong stuff some day... and its going to unleash havoc to all humanity.

IMO.... I think that cloning is pretty bad.... and will reap bad consequences in the future if human cloning comes about. There are certain things (IMO) science just shouldn't mess with.

BV :hat
 
Nightwolf said:
The dogs are technically not dead, they just don't have brain- or heart activity. No side-effects are known, except quite a few got very interested in politics. :lol
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Which technically means they are clinically dead. As for side effects, not all of them get back their full brain function.
 
Yeah, they are clinically dead. Saying he is making zombie dogs :lol

But this is interesting...kinda like ice surgery in...I think Russia...
 
When someone said cloning I remember something I learned in class. Cloning actually reproduces DNA that is shorter than the original strand of the parent. This means that whatever is cloned will have a shorter lifetime.
 
Starrynite said:
When someone said cloning I remember something I learned in class. Cloning actually reproduces DNA that is shorter than the original strand of the parent. This means that whatever is cloned will have a shorter lifetime.
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Correct. They grow up much quicker and die sooner.
 
Bluevoodu said:
man... some of that stuff is just freaky, you know?

they are going to mess with the wrong stuff some day... and its going to unleash havoc to all humanity.

IMO.... I think that cloning is pretty bad.... and will reap bad consequences in the future if human cloning comes about.  There are certain things (IMO) science just shouldn't mess with.

BV :hat
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BV, sit down with me sometime and I'll have a talk about cloning with you. Most of the taboos about it are made up by people who know nothing about genetics at all.
 
Starrynite said:
When someone said cloning I remember something I learned in class.  Cloning actually reproduces DNA that is shorter than the original strand of the parent.  This means that whatever is cloned will have a shorter lifetime.
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creepindeth04 said:
Correct. They grow up much quicker and die sooner.
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^ and that is exactly what I mean. That is completely incorrect. If you use polymerase chain reaction to reproduce DNA, it also codes the correct stop sequences.

Therefore, the DNA strands are exact copies of the originals. That thing about "they grow up quicker and die sooner" is complete fantasy. Seriously, was this a college genetics class you learned it from, or a highschool science teacher speculating on things he hadn't studied?
 
Additionally, Umbrella was creating viral warfare. Though the so called "zombie dogs" might bring the RE movies to mind, it hardly seems like what this study has done is bringing forth the undead. They're doing what has happened many times naturally. How many times has a child fallen in freezing water, been brought out an hour later and brought back to conciousness?

"He said his goal is to be able to put humans, such as critically wounded soldiers or stabbing or shooting victims, in a state of suspended animation for a few hours until they can receive proper medical help."

It looks, to me, like what they're doing is a noble effort for SOME circumstances.
 
Whoa there Grindspine, no need to get worked up. Thanks for correcting that. All this is what I heard from News sources back when Dolly the sheep was cloned. It was a long time ago and I thought thats what happened. And of course its not zombie dogs. They are in suspended animation. Im glad someone is trying to do something about all these unneeded deaths in warfare.
 
Grindspine said:
BV, sit down with me sometime and I'll have a talk about cloning with you.  Most of the taboos about it are made up by people who know nothing about genetics at all.
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Not taboos..... I don't care so much about that.. I have heard all the myths and people saying what the scientific truth is.

I still don't agree with it... something about it just doesn't feel right. Its the fact that humans are making life "so-to-speak" and it doesn't sit well with me. Its not even a religious issue. I don't like people messing with life.... and I guess thats what it is.

BV :hat
 
A zombie outbreak would be my dream world...as long as I got a place to hole up. I just love George Romero and his movies, period. Resident Evil makes no sense, a super rich company kept making biological weapons and they kept letting them break out resulting in big explosions. I love the games, don't get me wrong, but seriously...You would think they have the resources to properly take care of their investments.
 
well.......the official definiton of zombie as told by www.dictionary.com is:

zombie

n 1: a dead body that has been brought back to life by a supernatural force



not very supernatural i would say
 
True, but zombie is usually attributed to reanimated creatures regardless of the circumstances. Like no one disputes the "ghouls" in Night of the Living Dead are zombies, even though they were reanimated by radiation. Yeah, its a movie, but George Romero nvented the modern concept of zombies.
 
creepindeth04 said:
Whoa there Grindspine, no need to get worked up. Thanks for correcting that. All this is what I heard from News sources back when Dolly the sheep was cloned. It was a long time ago and I thought thats what happened. And of course its not zombie dogs. They are in suspended animation. Im glad someone is trying to do something about all these unneeded deaths in warfare.
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If I seemed worked up, it's because I was a biology major for several years before becoming a psych major and during that time, I got tired of people spouting untrue things. I don't know everything about cloning, but I just generally don't like when people say things matter-of-factly when they don't know the truth.


Not taboos..... I don't care so much about that.. I have heard all the myths and people saying what the scientific truth is.

I still don't agree with it... something about it just doesn't feel right. Its the fact that humans are making life "so-to-speak" and it doesn't sit well with me. Its not even a religious issue. I don't like people messing with life.... and I guess thats what it is.

If you're uncomfortable with it, that's fine. As far as I'm concerned, it's basically surgery on a cellular level. If someone has a problem with, say, cancer, then the tumor is removed. If genetic manipulation allows certain disorders to be removed from a family line, then I'm all for it.

In truth, true cloning does have problems though. Life does need to be diverse and sexual reproduction allows for recombination of different genes. That diversity is why some sicknesses are harder on some than on others. If there were many clones (as in Star Wars Ep II) the weakness in one would be the weakness in all of them.

However, on a more limited basis, if certain sections of DNA are cloned to replace problematic genetics (like those that cause disease), it becomes a medical solution to those otherwise untreatable diseases.
 
Grindspine said:
If I seemed worked up, it's because I was a biology major for several years before becoming a psych major and during that time, I got tired of people spouting untrue things. I don't know everything about cloning, but I just generally don't like when people say things matter-of-factly when they don't know the truth.
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yeah thats true but there is no way everybody knows everything. People are always going to spout untrue things. Its just that some are misinformed and feel that their information is correct not because they want to spread lies. Mine was an honest mistake. Again thanks for correcting me because I want to know whats true and whats not. I feel just like you and dont want to spread lies either.
 
Hopefully no one is taking offense to me being rather blunt about the whole thing. Many people just don't bother to dig deeper on subjects and just go by one or two things that they heard to form an opinion on.

The problem is, even if that opinion was formed on misinformation, sometimes the belief system formed around it is constructed in a way that the person won't accept new information as being related.
 
Grindspine said:
Hopefully no one is taking offense to me being rather blunt about the whole thing. Many people just don't bother to dig deeper on subjects and just go by one or two things that they heard to form an opinion on.

The problem is, even if that opinion was formed on misinformation, sometimes the belief system formed around it is constructed in a way that the person won't accept new information as being related.
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Very true and I agree with you. As for me I didnt dig deeper because its not a big deal to me right now.
 
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