Official God of War III Thread

Got it yesterday at 10 in the morning, beat it at 10 in the evening. Put about eight hours in on one day. Amazing game.
 
So far a lot of the reviews have pointed out the "unlikable" character that is Kratos. I for one am shocked and appalled. Not at the brutal and immoral actions that Kratos takes in GoW3, but that it took these reviewers three friggin games to realize Kratos is not a good person. I thought the indiscriminate murdering and deicide in GoW 1 and 2 was evidence enough of this, but apparently not.

Aside from that, I can't wait to play this game. Soon, so very soon...

tubbs2222 said:
Hey all,

So basically it was REALLY hard for me to get on board with this game.... weird I know. I was just a tad upset at how the fan boys ripped apart Dante's Inferno. Well, that being said I think the game is a tad overrated. I did read probably the best review on this game I have seen online. It seemed legit and non-biased. So I figured I would attempt to share it with everyone.

Yeah I don't know I am just your average gamer..... tell me what you guys all think.
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First of all, anyone who says "I am just your average gamer" as though they're reading it off some kind of script is probably not an average gamer.

Secondly, Dante's Inferno was adequate at best. I might have given it more of a chance if it didn't sport the name "Dante's Inferno" but that's neither here nor there. The reason why the God of War games have gained the popularity they have is because within the platforming/action/hack'n'slash formula that Dante's Inferno attempted to capture, there is a subtlety and nuance to the gameplay that really makes one's actions in the game feel powerful and, at times, brutal. Add to that the widely imaginative setting, backdrops, and characters, and factor in the level design and cinematic set pieces... Dante's Inferno just lacks all the things that make God of War an exceptional example of it's genre.

You can believe Dante's Inferno is a comparable, neigh, superior game, but you're only robbing yourself of GoW awesomeness.
 
My friend borrowed it for a week and we finished it in like 3 days and i must say
why couldn't he live in peace or something at the end instead of killing himself, even though at the end of the credits you see a trail of blood leading off the cliff there is no way he could survive with a massive gash in him!
but other then the ending I really enjoyed the game wish their could have been a forth.
 
GoRiLlAz_RoCk said:
My friend borrowed it for a week and we finished it in like 3 days and i must say
why couldn't he live in peace or something at the end instead of killing himself, even though at the end of the credits you see a trail of blood leading off the cliff there is no way he could survive with a massive gash in him!
but other then the ending I really enjoyed the game wish their could have been a forth.
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Interesting.
Why would you want Kratos to live? He's a bad guy. He literally killed everything. What about him makes him something worthy of finding peace?
 
stealth toilet said:
Interesting.
Why would you want Kratos to live? He's a bad guy. He literally killed everything. What about him makes him something worthy of finding peace?
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Well, if that's what you're into...
It's like finishing KotOR as a Sith Lord.
 
stealth toilet said:
Interesting.
Why would you want Kratos to live? He's a bad guy. He literally killed everything. What about him makes him something worthy of finding peace?
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Then why should any character live? A hero is always a villain in the eyes of the villains.
 
I wouldn't necessarily call him a bad guy, per se. He's more or less an anti-hero. He kills everything because everything seems to hate him and want to kill him, betray him, and screw him over. The Gods screwed him over, and he's out for blood. I mean, you don't criticize the punisher for killing everybody do you? He seems justified.
 
ThravRande said:
Well, if that's what you're into...
It's like finishing KotOR as a Sith Lord.
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If killing is what you're into then why wish for a peaceful ending for Kratos? Wouldn't the best ending be for him to keep on killing, so long as that's what you're into?

I don't imagine that, after conquering the galaxy as a Sith Lord, you retired to the country to raise a flock of sheep.

Fr0dus Maximus said:
Then why should any character live? A hero is always a villain in the eyes of the villains.
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First off, Kratos is not just a "villain" to the "villains," he performs acts of unspeakable hatred, barabarism, and violence. He is the enemy of everyone who doesn't want to die a gruesome death. For that alone, no one should want for him to live. And secondly, I don't believe a hero is always a villain in the eyes of the villains. Sometimes this is the case, perhaps most times it is so, but I think true heroism can in certain instances be close to universally recognized.

But more to the point, if what you say is true then the end of the game should satisfy your point, not refute it.
You tell me, Frodus, why should Kratos live? Let alone any character for that matter, if a hero is always a villain? I am arguing that Kratos should die, and indeed, perhaps all characters should as well. It is Gorillaz_Rock who is positing otherwise, and I have asked him the same question you have asked me: what makes a character worthy of living? And does Kratos fit into that category (the answer to this may be different depending on whether you're talking about Kratos before the end of the 3rd game or after it. The answer changes for me, anyway)?

Jack said:
I wouldn't necessarily call him a bad guy, per se. He's more or less an anti-hero. He kills everything because everything seems to hate him and want to kill him, betray him, and screw him over. The Gods screwed him over, and he's out for blood. I mean, you don't criticize the punisher for killing everybody do you? He seems justified.
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Antiheros are generally "bad," they are referred to as "heroes" only in the sense that the "hero" is the main protagonist. The "anti" means they're not you're typical hero, which usually means they aren't all good. So yes, Kratos is an antihero, but that doesn't negate the descriptor of "bad" for his character. It more or less means the same thing.

Kratos does not seek justice, an eye for an eye or anything like that, he seeks vengeance, and in his pursuit of that he kills everything. He doesn't just kill those that have it comin to them, he kills all the innocent people who got in his way or simply existed and can no longer survive once the sun's gone and the earth is covered in water. If someone wronged you would you be justified in killing everyone who ever existed even if you didn't know them and they lived a blameless life? Until the end of the third game Kratos would say yes (well, he probably wouldn't care enough to answer) which makes him a monster. You're not supposed to identify with him or try and justify his actions, you're supposed to be horrified by what he does and perhaps pity how blind his rage has made him. Therefore
the end is fitting. The bad guy dies after learning that he should have fought for hope, not for anger. He realizes that anger has only brought destruction to everything, and as the source of that anger he kills himself in the hope that a future without him will be better than the present with him. The one redeemable act he commits is suicide, the only thing that makes him worthy of living is dieing; but he has to give his life up in order to become a character worthy of living.
 
stealth toilet said:
If killing is what you're into then why wish for a peaceful ending for Kratos? Wouldn't the best ending be for him to keep on killing, so long as that's what you're into?

I don't imagine that, after conquering the galaxy as a Sith Lord, you retired to the country to raise a flock of sheep.

First off, Kratos is not just a "villain" to the "villains," he performs acts of unspeakable hatred, barabarism, and violence. He is the enemy of everyone who doesn't want to die a gruesome death. For that alone, no one should want for him to live. And secondly, I don't believe a hero is always a villain in the eyes of the villains. Sometimes this is the case, perhaps most times it is so, but I think true heroism can in certain instances be close to universally recognized.

But more to the point, if what you say is true then the end of the game should satisfy your point, not refute it.
You tell me, Frodus, why should Kratos live? Let alone any character for that matter, if a hero is always a villain? I am arguing that Kratos should die, and indeed, perhaps all characters should as well. It is Gorillaz_Rock who is positing otherwise, and I have asked him the same question you have asked me: what makes a character worthy of living? And does Kratos fit into that category (the answer to this may be different depending on whether you're talking about Kratos before the end of the 3rd game or after it. The answer changes for me, anyway)?

Antiheros are generally "bad," they are referred to as "heroes" only in the sense that the "hero" is the main protagonist. The "anti" means they're not you're typical hero, which usually means they aren't all good. So yes, Kratos is an antihero, but that doesn't negate the descriptor of "bad" for his character. It more or less means the same thing.

Kratos does not seek justice, an eye for an eye or anything like that, he seeks vengeance, and in his pursuit of that he kills everything. He doesn't just kill those that have it comin to them, he kills all the innocent people who got in his way or simply existed and can no longer survive once the sun's gone and the earth is covered in water. If someone wronged you would you be justified in killing everyone who ever existed even if you didn't know them and they lived a blameless life? Until the end of the third game Kratos would say yes (well, he probably wouldn't care enough to answer) which makes him a monster. You're not supposed to identify with him or try and justify his actions, you're supposed to be horrified by what he does and perhaps pity how blind his rage has made him. Therefore
the end is fitting. The bad guy dies after learning that he should have fought for hope, not for anger. He realizes that anger has only brought destruction to everything, and as the source of that anger he kills himself in the hope that a future without him will be better than the present with him. The one redeemable act he commits is suicide, the only thing that makes him worthy of living is dieing; but he has to give his life up in order to become a character worthy of living.
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What if Kratos isn't dead after all? I mean, the ending obviously leaves you hanging, and although Asmussen stated that GoW3 was the end for Kratos, perhaps that meant the end of him being a god? Either Kratos was able to move away from the scene, or someone or something moved him. If he managed to survive, would his noble deed of attempting to kill himself be enough to make him worthy of living?
Not that it really matters, I'm just curious what you think of that.
 
stealth toilet said:
You tell me, Frodus, why should Kratos live? Let alone any character for that matter, if a hero is always a villain? I am arguing that Kratos should die, and indeed, perhaps all characters should as well. It is Gorillaz_Rock who is positing otherwise, and I have asked him the same question you have asked me: what makes a character worthy of living? And does Kratos fit into that category (the answer to this may be different depending on whether you're talking about Kratos before the end of the 3rd game or after it. The answer changes for me, anyway)?
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I was just saying that any character could be characterized as a villain.

Though, I really could care less if Kratos lived or died, the franchise got boring to me. If David Jaffe would have directed all three instead of just the first the final outcome would be considerably different than that of GoW3. Jaffe would have had Kratos live and then it would have moved on to Norse Mythology, which would kinda would've made sense seeing as Kratos did kill the gods of Olympus thus in a way he made himself an unopposed god. Again, I'm done with Kratos and the franchise as is.
 
ThravRande said:
What if Kratos isn't dead after all? I mean, the ending obviously leaves you hanging, and although Asmussen stated that GoW3 was the end for Kratos, perhaps that meant the end of him being a god? Either Kratos was able to move away from the scene, or someone or something moved him. If he managed to survive, would his noble deed of attempting to kill himself be enough to make him worthy of living?
Not that it really matters, I'm just curious what you think of that.
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That's actually a really good question. Made me think for a few minutes. :lol
I think if Kratos wasn't "dead after all," and also if Kratos really did mean to kill himself, then he would simply try and try again. It would be interesting if GoW IV was a game in which Kratos is on a quest to kill himself, the last remaining god. But that kind of avoids the question. I think the action would need to be completed in order for the deed to be noble, and that the intent to kill himself alone would not suffice. This is only because we only know Kratos from his actions (even when we see his psyche we know Kratos by the actions he performs in his own psyche), we're never really given access to his thoughts, his doubts, his fears, and his desires except when he is yelling them or performing them. Therefore I would say that he needs to kill himself i order to demonstrate a desire to kill himself in order to be worthy of living.

But that's a good question, and I think there's definitely a lot of leeway to argue the opposite. Actions vs. intentions basically, and how does one dole out merit for each? Very good question.
 
stealth toilet said:
That's actually a really good question. Made me think for a few minutes. :lol
I think if Kratos wasn't "dead after all," and also if Kratos really did mean to kill himself, then he would simply try and try again. It would be interesting if GoW IV was a game in which Kratos is on a quest to kill himself, the last remaining god. But that kind of avoids the question. I think the action would need to be completed in order for the deed to be noble, and that the intent to kill himself alone would not suffice. This is only because we only know Kratos from his actions (even when we see his psyche we know Kratos by the actions he performs in his own psyche), we're never really given access to his thoughts, his doubts, his fears, and his desires except when he is yelling them or performing them. Therefore I would say that he needs to kill himself i order to demonstrate a desire to kill himself in order to be worthy of living.

But that's a good question, and I think there's definitely a lot of leeway to argue the opposite. Actions vs. intentions basically, and how does one dole out merit for each? Very good question.
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I may be mistaken, but didn't Kratos lose his "godliness" when he stabbed himself and the power of Hope left him?
 
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