Recountin' the memories... The lifetime of EGA!

"wow, these forums are going down the toilet.... just kidding, congrats stealth"

XD LOL THIS QUOTE SHALL BE WRITTEN DOWN IN HISTORY :lol
 
I think that was during the time when I didn't have consistent internet access. Otherwise I'm sure I would have remembered such a post. :lol

As for some of my own memories...let's see.

I don't know if I would call them fond, but I do recall all the Nintendo vs. Sony debates back in the day. Sometimes it ended badly, but there was intelligent discussion in there somewhere. I recall that I asked stealth once if he was just playing devil's advocate because we disagreed about something. :lol
 
I remember when chat was the in thing to do, and there where 7 or more of us just mucking around and having meaningful and interesting discussions, on what ever we wanted. I miss that. That was fun. I want those times back. We used to laugh and sometimes we were serious, and we were just one big happy family. Aww good times.And the great friends iv made here. 8)
 
Mai Valentine said:
I think that was during the time when I didn't have consistent internet access. Otherwise I'm sure I would have remembered such a post. :lol

As for some of my own memories...let's see.

I don't know if I would call them fond, but I do recall all the Nintendo vs. Sony debates back in the day. Sometimes it ended badly, but there was intelligent discussion in there somewhere. I recall that I asked stealth once if he was just playing devil's advocate because we disagreed about something. :lol

i remember the debates between you and Stealth over Tales of symphonia..... i'll always have a grudge on stealth for writing such preposterous posts xD
 
stealth toilet said:
Out of sheer respect for Bluevoodoo, and the good people at egameaddiction.com, I will make this brief.

The most adept and observant forum goers may have noticed a slight change in the stealth_toilet as of late. No I'm not talking about my newly acquired washboard abdominal muscles, or strong and silent demeanor, but instead a humble yet distinguished title that now appears under my avatar name. For those of you slightly less observant, but by no means subserviant, forum goers, I will humbly enlighten you to that which I am currently speaking of. I have finally, after years of devoted service and diligent posting, attained the status of a forum moderator, and will subsequently revel in all the rewards and priveleges that accompany it. Perhaps what I am saying is still unclear, let me rephrase it in terms everyone can understand:

Mere mortals, behold your new God... err, I mean Mod... and tremble in my wake! Well, you don't have to tremble... all the time... every once in awhile would be appreciated. :lol

Thank you, thank you all. Now I can say that truly, dreams do come true. :D

:lol I never saw that before until now.
 
Mai Valentine said:
I recall that I asked stealth once if he was just playing devil's advocate because we disagreed about something. :lol

:lol Yeah I think I remember that too. While you and I have incredibly different taste in games, we seem to rarely ever genuinely disagree on something. If I recall correctly, I was playing devil's advocate, to a certain extent... :D

Zidart said:
i remember the debates between you and Stealth over Tales of symphonia..... i'll always have a grudge on stealth for writing such preposterous posts xD

Really? I've never even played Tales of Symphonia, what could I possibly have even said about it?

All these fond memories of me... ::) :lol
 
stealth toilet said:
:lol Yeah I think I remember that too. While you and I have incredibly different taste in games, we seem to rarely ever genuinely disagree on something. If I recall correctly, I was playing devil's advocate, to a certain extent... :D

Really? I've never even played Tales of Symphonia, what could I possibly have even said about it?

All these fond memories of me... ::) :lol

*GASP* maybe is time to look back in time XD because i remember the topic

what has been said that I THINK is blasphemy about Tales of symphonia is...

this is from an anti-GC thread...
"erhaps if Square Enix wanted Tales of Symphonia to sell better they should have made a better game and released it on a better system. Drop the kiddy graphics and release it on all three systems. Good games are popular, there's a direct relationship between the two. If a "great" game doesn't sell well then obviously it was missing something from being truly great. Sure a good game flies under the radar once in awhile, but you never see a crappy game sell well."

this is another post of an anti-GC thread, you kinda posted a long list of GC games and your problems with them... then said there is no more than 5 good games on the console (i oughta smack your old self XD)
"Tales of Symphonia
Played it, thought it was fine, hated the story, hated the characters, never wanted to play it again."

i also found something I THINK is preposterous

"We all know Metroid Prime was lame because it was boring. Call it "adventure" or "exploration" all you like, but when you walk down the same hallway for the 37th time and you kill the same enemy for the 37th time and you realize you still can't get any farther down this hallway for the 36th time (assuming the first time you came down it you weren't expecting a dead end), the game gets boring. Don't even try to argue that, we all know it's true, rather I can direct your immediate desire to post a response in a more productive fashion."

"Yeah, give up the turn based battle system. In some cases it's done really well, but in most cases it's a way of avoiding programming real gameplay."

"I guess in my mind it would have been better to take the few games that were fantastic on the Cube and put them on a console that had other really good games on it. So in that sense I don't see the Cube as a system being underrated, I see a sub-par system blessed with some games that ought to have appeared on other, more worthy, consoles. laugh"

there were more quotes i TOTALLY DISAGREE with you on (more about gamecube, kiddy games, Nintendo and M = better) but these were the ones i caught while looking for the proof that YOU LIED XD....

WARNING: THIS POST WAS MEANT TO BE FUNNY LOOK ON THE PAST... IT IS NOT MEANT TO REVIVE THESE TOPICS, IF YOU WISH TO REVIVE THEM PLEASE MAKE A DIFFERENT TOPIC ABOUT IT
 
:lol

I used to be a real jerk. If a member like me came on these forums now, I'd probably ban myself.

I just perused the whole Tales of Symphonia thread. Its actually a pretty good read for anyone who's bored: http://www.egameaddiction.com/forums/index.php?topic=1354.0

I don't actually think I lied about anything I said. I still agree with myself on nearly everything you quoted, although I don't know if I would phrase it quite like I did before... :lol

1) I can still count the amount of good GC games that exist on one hand.
2) I still want a mature themed Pikmin
3) I still think turn-based battle systems are incredibly boring
4) I still can't play more than 10 minutes of any Metroid Prime game without falling asleep
5) I still don't like cel-shading
6) I still think sales are indicative of "good" games.

Apparently I played Tales of Symphonia once at a friend's house. ::)

Sounds phony, I know, but I think it's actually true. I believe that friend was none other than the EGA member "Rodney Chops" in fact.

Man, we used to throw it down on the boards. I think when I became a mod I began using slightly more reserved language. Its a shame really. I still want to tell everyone how much I think Nintendo ***** *** ******* and that their games ****** *** **** ******, especially **** ******* *** ****** ***** with cheese.

:D
 
stealth toilet said:
:lol

I used to be a real jerk. If a member like me came on these forums now, I'd probably ban myself.

I just perused the whole Tales of Symphonia thread. Its actually a pretty good read for anyone who's bored: http://www.egameaddiction.com/forums/index.php?topic=1354.0

I don't actually think I lied about anything I said. I still agree with myself on nearly everything you quoted, although I don't know if I would phrase it quite like I did before... :lol

1) I can still count the amount of good GC games that exist on one hand.
2) I still want a mature themed Pikmin
3) I still think turn-based battle systems are incredibly boring
4) I still can't play more than 10 minutes of any Metroid Prime game without falling asleep
5) I still don't like cel-shading
6) I still think sales are indicative of "good" games.

Apparently I played Tales of Symphonia once at a friend's house. ::)

Sounds phony, I know, but I think it's actually true. I believe that friend was none other than the EGA member "Rodney Chops" in fact.

Man, we used to throw it down on the boards. I think when I became a mod I began using slightly more reserved language. Its a shame really. I still want to tell everyone how much I think Nintendo ***** *** ******* and that their games ****** *** **** ******, especially **** ******* *** ****** ***** with cheese.

:D

I just think you have a poor taste in games :D :P ;)
 
well your wording is much more MATURE (hehe get it M rated mature XD) today than it was back then honestly i would go back in time to punch you in the face but the stealth that i see here now is a good guy ( i just happen to disagree till i die with those 6 points up there) that is totally not a Jerk *thumbs up* even i was a total Nintendo fanboy jerk back then... heck is time to go back in time and check all the stupid things i said in the past XD

i forgot, alien syndrome but i don't know if it's gonna be good.
also endless ocean and geometry wars.

and i read in IGN of nitro bike, and bleach,

oh and ghost squad from sega, how could i forget of these games?

darn i also forgot of batallion wars 2 , beatiful katamari, brothers in arms, dance dance revolutio : hottest party, the destiny of zorro (heck i didn't know of this one and i don't think is gonna be good) , destroy all humans, dewy's adventure, donkey kong barrel blast, guilty gear XX, kirby (but it was only announced), manhunt 2, sonic riders zero gravity?, sword of legendia.

i never bought any of the games mentioned before (or never came out like sword of legendia and beatiful katamari for wii) and i am ashamed i even considered buying some of them xD

THE MOST PREPOSTEROUS THING I EVER SAID IN MY ENTIRE LIFE THOUGH XD (and i would go back in time to punch myself as well)
"the only exclusive that i don't like for the ps3 is little big planet, it just don't grab my attention, it reminds me of pikmin "

this is about assasins creed XD "PC? oh boy i'm getting the pc version" yeah.... my laptop can't even play team fortress 2

cherry forgive me for this preposterous statement

"the only game i heard of bioware is mass effect and people say a lot of good things of the game, and most forums were happy that sonic RPG is being developed by this team wich with that is enough for me to say, this is a really good company"

i still don't disagree with this one
"oook metroid has the best FPS controls in the next-gen consoles period. (like it this way ?)"

only fire emblem fanatics will get what is wrong with this statement (pretty much i was stupid enough to use titania till the end of the game)
"in hard mode titania is almost useless, at the end of the game she is on lvl 20 and she can't kill anyone with one attack (well x2 XD)."

emmm frodus will know what is wrong with this one XD
"well my favorites so far are VII, IX, X, XII. III
like all of them (except dirge of cerberus, i just like the story) "

i can't believe i even had this doubt
"ok now im in pain XD i don't know wich one i will have for christmas, either the ps3 or super smash bros brawl "
OF COURSE I WOULD CHOOSE BRAWL PFFT XD (and i don't regret it one bit)


after all this i just want to go back in time and beat myself sometimes for saying some of those stupid things XD
 
stealth toilet said:
6) I still think sales are indicative of "good" games.

I disagree with some of the others...but this is probably the worst. I've seen some pretty bad games sell alot. Pirates of the Caribean At World's End was like the 6th best selling game of 2006/07? whenever it came out. But anyways :lol
 
Strubes said:
I disagree with some of the others...but this is probably the worst. I've seen some pretty bad games sell alot. Pirates of the Caribean At World's End was like the 6th best selling game of 2006/07? whenever it came out. But anyways :lol

let's not forget about wii play and wii music....
 
Strubes said:
I disagree with some of the others...but this is probably the worst. I've seen some pretty bad games sell alot. Pirates of the Caribean At World's End was like the 6th best selling game of 2006/07? whenever it came out. But anyways :lol

Good point, and think of some of the great games that have not sold so well; Okami, Ico, etc...I think a lot of the times it is hype, or lack of hype, that dictate sales of a game.
 
x2 said:
I just think you have a poor taste in games :D :P ;)

:lol

Well put.

I have come to realize, especially through doing podcasts and such, that my taste in games is very different from most of the people that come to this board. I generally like sports games and generally don't like RPG's. That explains nearly half of the discussions I've had on this board about video games.
"the only exclusive that i don't like for the ps3 is little big planet, it just don't grab my attention, it reminds me of pikmin "

Yes, that is very uncharacteristic of you. :lol

I was also pleasantly reminded of Pikmin when I saw the first ever LBP trailer.

Strubes said:
I disagree with some of the others...but this is probably the worst. I've seen some pretty bad games sell alot. Pirates of the Caribean At World's End was like the 6th best selling game of 2006/07? whenever it came out. But anyways :lol

Haha, allow me a brief moment of explanation.

I'll be the first to admit sales are not always accurate in reflecting whether or not a game is "good" or "bad." I thoroughly enjoy many games that sold poorly, and despise many games that sold well. However, I think what I was getting at in that thread had to do with objectively categorizing games as good or bad. By removing my personal opinions from a game, and removing my expectations of what a game should be, I think sales are a good way of determining whether or not a game is "good" in the greater sense of: is it finding an audience and connecting with people? I think, objectively speaking, the only way to rate a development studio's success in making a game is by finding out how many people are playing their game because they enjoy it. Just because I personally don't like the Pirates of the Caribbean game, that doesn't mean its bad, and clearly if its one of the top ten selling games for a whole year it is doing something exceptionally good. In this specific case it chose a theme that people really enjoy, so much so that the other aspects of the game were not a major concern for people who played it.

If a game is critically acclaimed but fails to find an audience then there is something crucially wrong with it. Or perhaps, more accurately, there is something crucially wrong with a rating system that fails to represent how a game is going to be received by the public. This is why so much talk about hardcore gamers versus casual ones has come up, because the "hardcore" is no longer the majority, and there is a certain amount of resentment harbored by the "hardcore" for casual gamers and the popularity of casual games, which leads to the notion that "casual" video games are somehow, by their very nature, worse. I also think that, as time goes on and gaming expands to an even wider audience, the "hardcore" segment of gamers are going to have to realize that the ideas they have for how video games ought to be played are going to become rather outdated. Critics are part of this hardcore segment that hold to the same marginalized and outdated notions of what makes a game "good" or "bad," and the idea that game developers ought to make critically acclaimed games for critics is absurd. What's the use in writing an award winning novel if nobody ever reads it? The award may signify an accomplishment, but again, if no one notices the accomplishment then what's the point of the award? Accomplishment for accomplishment's sake may be an admirable pursuit if the goal is inward and individual, but for a video game designer and developer personal accomplishment is a rather hollow endeavor.

Too Human is a really good example of someone who wanted to make a statement and make a video game they personally thought was great, but failed to communicate that through the game itself. Ultimately, the game was a failure. So if critics can't be trusted as judges of success, and the game makers themselves can't be trusted as judges of success, how anyone say that actual gamers voting with their dollars are wrong in buying what they like and passing on what they dislike? By what rubric is Too Human (or any other game you feel was too visionary/involved/high-concept to be passed over by the average gamer) considered good, when it fails to find an audience or resonate with people, and a game like Wii Music bad, when it speaks to and amuses a large number of gamers?

If simplicity and gimmicks, dare I even say "waggle," are considered ideal traits in a game by the vast majority of people playing games, who are we to tell them Wii Play and Wii Music are bad games? Bad by whose standards? Archaic standards which are currently ill-equipped to judge a modern day video game? Does our categorization of it as bad mean people aren't going to have fun with it? And how do you tell someone who does enjoy Wii Music that it is a bad game, and that they ought to dislike it?

Just some thoughts... :lol
 
o_0 a few thoughts??

Stealth, by your "Few" you've stirred a few hundred in my head :lol


Anyway, I found the first topic I ever made. :lol Though from what I rememebr, it was a thread about who likes Beer....... to think, that (or this????) was the thread in which I began to make my mark on EGA :lol what was I on!!!!

Hell Scyth said:
>:( I envy the Jackels that get to run about playing with their fancy Energy Sheilds. I think it's about ime that we got the chance to use it against them! Though the sheild is useless to an extent against a trained player. I still think that the thought of combining it with a Energy Sword is a great idea. Especially after the last bit of sword play I had with my mates.
When you go in sword to sword it goes by the first to strike. But if you could dual wield it with Energy Sheild then thats something different. You could parry the attack and then give them a taste of their own medicine.
Or say that your doing a capture the flag. Your flag may be at an edvantage from the entrance points. If you had energy sheilds, your temamtes could take the main force of the attakers and push them back with whatever they can weild with it. 8)
Think about it. :?

... I think I may have been on to something...

funny that I never replied to my own topic lol


((((NOTE: I LEARNED HOW TO USE POLLS :lol can't belive I thought it would be so difficult http://www.egameaddiction.com/forums/index.php?topic=4380.msg73592#msg73592 A record of TWO HITS TO THE POLL!! But it sparked me making one of them each year as if I were working in marketing or something lol))))
 
well i still believe sales are not really a good way to determine if a game is in fact good or in fact bad, yes the game might have not succeeded in sales but that shouldn't be what decides if is good or bad.

sometimes lack of sales might be due to lack of advertisement, and if the game has not sold a lot... how do those people know exactly if is good or bad?... i think the most accurate way is to count a game as "a success" or "good game" is to read or get an average o USER scores, why? the best way to know if a game succeeded in what they should have is to see if its target audience likes what they play.

for example: Castlevania: order of Ecclesia, the game doesn't have many high sales however user reviews are pretty high for this game and consider its quality to be the same (sometimes better) than symphony of the night.

another example: is Tales of symphonia Dawn of the new world, the reviews for this game are average and the sales are low however user scores are pretty high for this game. (i actually think is a great game and my second wii game of the year) why? because this games delivers what it was meant to do, revisit the world of Tales of symphonia and have a deep interesting battle system and the people who were expecting this got this and even more (at least for me)

and a final example that you are fond of XD: Eternal darkness: Sanity's Requiem.... its sales were not the best and not the worst but you gotta agree that this is indeed a fine game.

in my personal opinion GTAIV is a very boring game, i can't stand sports games and wii play/music make me want to strangle Satoru Iwata(even though people only bought play for the free controler) yet i have to agree that these games do deliver what their fans wanted, you know a game is TRULY bad if the hardcore fans are unsatisfied by it (example sonic the hedgehog 2006)
 
stealth toilet said:
I'll be the first to admit sales are not always accurate in reflecting whether or not a game is "good" or "bad." I thoroughly enjoy many games that sold poorly, and despise many games that sold well. However, I think what I was getting at in that thread had to do with objectively categorizing games as good or bad. By removing my personal opinions from a game, and removing my expectations of what a game should be, I think sales are a good way of determining whether or not a game is "good" in the greater sense of: is it finding an audience and connecting with people? I think, objectively speaking, the only way to rate a development studio's success in making a game is by finding out how many people are playing their game because they enjoy it. Just because I personally don't like the Pirates of the Caribbean game, that doesn't mean its bad, and clearly if its one of the top ten selling games for a whole year it is doing something exceptionally good. In this specific case it chose a theme that people really enjoy, so much so that the other aspects of the game were not a major concern for people who played it.

The problem is that you are attempting to objectively categorize games which is impossible because they have no objective value, beyond how much money it took to make it, and how many polygons it has. Everything else is inevitably in the eye of the beholder. The issue is not that you are using sales to objectively determine the quality of the game, but that you are trying to objectively determine anything about it at all. Even the success of the development studio is relative because people have very different measures of success. A developer might consider his project a massive success even if it sold 10,000 copies, just because he had a hand in creating what he saw as a masterpiece.

If a game is critically acclaimed but fails to find an audience then there is something crucially wrong with it.

The opinion of reviewers is not meant to be a barometer for the financial success of the game, nor is it meant to represent the opinion of anyone but that single reviewer. One of two things is shown by a critically acclaimed game that sells poorly; a horrible marketing team, or a large difference of opinion among the reviewer. I would hardly call either a crucial flaw on the part of the game.

Or perhaps, more accurately, there is something crucially wrong with a rating system that fails to represent how a game is going to be received by the public.

If reviews were meant to show the likely sales of a game, they would be nothing but spread-sheets, showing the performance of similar games, and other statistics, pertaining to public knowledge or marketability of the game. I don't know about you, but I don't want that. I don't want objectivity. I want a simple fallible opinion from someone who has played games for years, and has similar tastes to mine (something that can be figured out by reading their reviews on similar games). Reviews are not meant to relate to financial success, nor should I see why they should, why the human element should be removed.

What's the use in writing an award winning novel if nobody ever reads it?

Actually writing an amazing novel that you can call your own. The very thought that something so amazing came from your own mind. It will be a sad day when art is created only to please the masses.

but for a video game designer and developer personal accomplishment is a rather hollow endeavor.

Why is it such a hollow endeavor? Why is marveling at your own creation suddenly not enough? Why is validation from someone else on an entirely subjective matter suddenly necessary?

how anyone say that actual gamers voting with their dollars are wrong in buying what they like and passing on what they dislike?

They aren't wrong, but they aren't right either.

By what rubric is Too Human (or any other game you feel was too visionary/involved/high-concept to be passed over by the average gamer) considered good

By my own of course. I would go by no other, but my own opinion is not applicable to others obviously.

a game like Wii Music bad, when it speaks to and amuses a large number of gamers?

For the record, Wii Music only sold about 80,000 in its first month. Casual gamers are finally maturing maybe? :D

And how do you tell someone who does enjoy Wii Music that it is a bad game, and that they ought to dislike it?

I debate with them until they realize the obvious superiority of my opinion. :lol

Sorry for chopping up your post a bit. I think I hit most of the main ideas though.
 
I have to agree that art is in the eye of the beholder. The reason it's more scrutinized in games is because in the end it is still a business. You need to make money in order to continue making your visions come to life. And it is a sad day when a studio has to close down because they are not making enough money.
 
stealth toilet said:
:lol

Well put.

I have come to realize, especially through doing podcasts and such, that my taste in games is very different from most of the people that come to this board. I generally like sports games and generally don't like RPG's. That explains nearly half of the discussions I've had on this board about video games.

Now that I think about it, there is a lot of RPG fans here! Also a good amount of Nintendo fans here. In fact I think most of our debates have been over Nintendo games, which probably makes me look like a fanboy, but I really am not. I definitely love RPG's and platformers, but I am also a big fan of racing games and flight sim's, there is just never any discussion of those genres here. I do remember us agreeing that Crimson Skies was an excellent game back in the day! I'm actually going to go buy all the Ace Combat games for PS2 this weekend. Anyhoo, I guess what I am trying to say is that we do share some similar interests in games, you just wouldn't know it from most of our discussions here :)
 
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