Revolution Specs revealed!! Price possibly too!

They are trying a tactic that didn't work well the first time...
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I'd have to disagree. And here's hy. With the Cube, there wasn't a clear definition on what they were trying to do. At least it wasn't clear to me. They just manufactured it, released it and let the world judge it. With the Revolution, they are planning ahead. They are defining their goal in that it's a videogame console. Not a multimedia powerhouse like the PS3 and Xbox 360. In my opinion they are staying true to their roots. They build videogame consoles and design videogames. Both Sony and Microsoft either build computer hardware or design computer software in addition to their consoles.

Because of tactful planning, I believe the Revolution will be successful.
 
SpartanEvolved said:
But, in the current gen (Cube PS2 Xbox) the "good" system came in last.

They are trying a tactic that didn't work well the first time...
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the good system was the middle system... and according to many people... could rival the Xbox in terms of what the system could do.

It was better than the PS2 power wise...   and in many games, it outsold the Ps2.  The Gamecube failed to gain more market share though....

The revolution.... they have improved a lot of things INCLUDING free online play now.  That alone is going to make the Revolution a hit.  I know it sounds a little off.... but how many people wanted to play Super Smash bros online?  It is now coming.... many other games as well.... I really think this next console is going to take some market share.  Look in the handheld arena... the DS is owning right now....  it is not the most powerful.... BUT it has the unique and most fun games (imo), a great online service that works pretty well, and unique features on the system IE touch screen and voice chat.

The time is drawing near where graphics and power aren't going to decide where the good games go, and where the good games will be played.

†B†V† :hat
 
but how many people wanted to play Super Smash bros online? It is now coming....
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That was a major selling point until the rev controller was shown. Now SSB: Revolution could lose some of it's appeal if it "utilizes" the controller's features. It might also be too late. A lot of fans who wished for SSB:M online now may be content with Halo 2 or Tekken online.

Okay, I'll use something that I deal with every day. Tires. This way i'll explain what I mean about good, better and best. And that I try not to use hype or personal opinion.

"Tires are catagorized into three groups. Good, better and best. Amount of materials used in constructing tires, the amount of tread sipes and the depth of the tread sipes, and how tall the tread is. There are more, but in an effort to make this short, I'll exclude them.

In a good quality tire, the steel belts are narrower than the other two catagories to cut costs. The downside is they tend to wear out on the edges faster due to a lack of belt reinforcement. The tread blocks are lso shorter. they usually start at 9/32", so they can wear out sooner than the other two catgories. Also, the tread siping is minimal. These cuts are there for aiding in wet and dry traction, as well as cooling efficiency. They alo wer off after about 25% of the tread is gone.

A better quality improves on the good catagory. Wider steel belts mean better structural integrity in the shoulder. And that means a more even wear pattern. The tread blocks are also taller, which tends to slow the wear a bit. The tread siping is increased both in depth, and in amount, for better cooling and traction. They tend to go about 50% of the way down.

The best quality not only includes most name brand tires, but the best features. Widest possible steel belts within the tire mean the best wear pattern, and increased cornering ability. The tallest tread blocks mean the lonest lasting tread life. The sipes go full depth (down to 2?32", which in most states is worn out) and increase even more over the better catagory. "

Within these catagories, though, you can buy a best tire at a better or even good price. This drop usually is caused by lower production costs, ease of transportation, or special buys. For a while we were selling Pirelli tires at rediculously low prices because we got smoking deals on them.

What does this have to do with consoles?? Like I have said before, a "best" console can be outpaced by a "good" or even a "better" console. It happens all the time.
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I see your point, but the terms "good, better, and best" are still subjective to the person using those terms. I personally thought the PS2 was the best system to have this passed console round, but there's still no objective way for me to prove it was better. Even dealing with tires, what I as a Canadian driver am looking for in a tire is not going to be what someone from San Francisco is looking for. Due to our climates what we consider to be the "best" tire will most likely not be the same one.

But of course, we have each laid our cards on the table several times by now and still cannot tell who has the winning hand... so to speak. So I shall not comment about it any further.

The time is drawing near where graphics and power aren't going to decide where the good games go, and where the good games will be played.
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Speak for yourself BV. :lol
 
Well I for one will not settle for either of those games in place of Super Smash Brothers online....So you honestly will not be buying SSB online when it comes out?I find that hard to believe.
 
Not saying I wouldn't buy it. But, the fan base for SSB online will never be as big as Halo 2.....as much as I'd like to think it could be, it won't.
 
So you honestly will not be buying SSB online when it comes out?I find that hard to believe.
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5 years ago I would have. In fact, part of the reason I bought my GC was because I heard you could buy broadband adapters and play games online. I thought SSBM and MK alone would make the GC and adapter worth the purchase. Turns out there were exactly 0 good online GC games. So I moved on, bought an Xbox, played Halo 2, and haven't looked back since. I doubt I'll be buying the system, let alone any new games for it.

While the SSB:M series still does have great appeal, I'm relatively uninterested in the Rev version because:

1) I can get my online multiplayer fix eslewhere

2) I can't even envision how SSB will survive the new revolution controller.

As hard as it may be to believe, Nintendo has just dropped the ball with me one too many times. If they would have given up their stubborn ways and simply jumped on the online bandwagon earlier, I don't think Microsoft would have anything to brag about.
 
Ya, playing with real friends beats playing online people anyday. But for convenience and practicality sake, online is a nice alternative.

Plus you can't really play 8 on 8 ctf in Halo without going through great lengths to round up controllers, systems, games, TV's, and people...
 
I like playing with myself, I play with myself all day long. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
guitarwizard said:
I do not even like online gaming..I prefer multiplayer games were if you feel the need you can hit your opponent with your controller.
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You don't even like online gaming? I thought you were the big advocate for SSB online? :lol
 
OK, I can finally comment properly on this. So here I go....

@Stealth: Nintendo is not just saying they are not competing, they truly are not. To be honest, the only people who will buy a Revolution are the ones who really like Nintendo. Which can be anybody. They are not trying to take out the other two consoles at the moment, they are just trying to live with them. Maybe in another generation, but not during this new one. Simply because it's not what they want. They just want to make games and not make things too complicated. For example, the PS3. Sure when it comes out it's going to be a big hit and sell like crazy, but it might take Sony a while to get ahead of MS, in terms of quality games. Whereas with Nintendo the hardware is already set, with the exception of the controller. Which at the moment I still think is being judge too harshly simply because of looks. No one knows how it's going to turn out. So my point is, Just because they are in the same market as the other two does not mean they are in direct competition with them. From what I see, they are just putting out a system that can live along the other two or simply for those who really like Nintendo. Because let's face it, most of it's sales are going to be coming from hardcore Nintendo fans, and Im pretty sure they know it.


As for online play. It's something that is truly awsome when done right. I plan to play online. It's not something I prefer but it still can be fun. If SSB adds new types of features then there is a chance it can be as big as Halo. It might not be bigger, but it still can be big. But if they decide to just release a SSB game similar to the GC version then it won't do as great. It's one of those games that needs something extra when it comes to online play.

I agree with BV about how it's not going to be about the graphics anymore simply because most of the hardware for the new generation games are already great. Even some PS2 and xbox games look awsome right now. My point is that as long as the gameplay is there graphics won't mean a thing because we already know that a game can look good. We already know that we have the hardware to pull awsome graphics off, all that is needed is the fun factor. It has come to the point in this new generation that gameplay is going to be the deciding factor, because theses two new consoles can pull off HD. The games are going to look good. It's up to the developers to utilize it for gameplay.
 
I still disagree with you creepin (about Nintendo competing against Sony and Msoft), but I've already shown my evidence for thinking what I do, so I won't bother repeating myself. I will repeat this though, as I believe it's worth hearing again. The Revolution controller is still a controller. Just because the mechanics of it work slightly different it doesn't mean that what you can do in the game will change. Whether you push a button, move a joystick, click a mouse, or wave your arm around, you're still just performing actions within the game. That being said, I don't see how Nintendo is "not trying to take out the other two consoles at the moment." The Revolution is still just a console, thus it competes against other consoles for the consumer's attention and money.

My point is that as long as the gameplay is there graphics won't mean a thing because we already know that a game can look good.
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Just because I know a game can look good does not mean I don't care if it doesn't. Some kind of equilibrium between graphics and gameplay has to be reached for any game to be successful. If one area is neglected and the other excels it is unlikely the game will be fun at all. Graphics will mean as much as gameplay in the next generation, just as it did in all the generations before it.
 
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