RPG Discussion Thread

He said his PC can't handle it...and a 360 would be cheaper than upgrading. Also, even people with beefy computers grumble about running Oblivion. Half the topics at GameFAQs on the Oblivion board are about that kinda stuff.
 
SpartanEvolved said:
He said his PC can't handle it...and a 360 would be cheaper than upgrading. Also, even people with beefy computers grumble about running Oblivion. Half the topics at GameFAQs on the Oblivion board are about that kinda stuff.
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I understand that he said that. In light of that, my response to his predicament of being forced to play it on X Box - no. Play it on PC, as it's meant to be played.

That's just my opinion.
 
Well if I get Oblivion at all it would have to be for an Xbox 360. Which at the moment I do not own...
 
FFVIII had a great opening and the game is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. They're just pissed that it's no FFVII. But FFIX I think was the best of the PS made FF games.

But both of the Lunar games on the PS had great openings, I haven't gotten to play the Sega CD version so I'm not sure if the intros are the same.
 
supraman said:
FFVIII had a great opening and the game is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. They're just pissed that it's no FFVII. But FFIX I think was the best of the PS made FF games.

But both of the Lunar games on the PS had great openings, I haven't gotten to play the Sega CD version so I'm not sure if the intros are the same.
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Dude, FF VIII is as good as or better than FF VII, they're just different styles of story telling and character development. Whereas FF VII is a lot more generic in style (think FF VI but with a new package of style and such), FF VIII actually takes you IN to the characters to develop with them and learn.

I love FF VIII. Not to mention the militaristic tune of the music in that title is amazing. FF VIII easily takes the cake as my favorite Final Fantasy soundtrack. :-)
 
^I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me or not? :? I didn't say that VIII was a bad game. I said it was a good game and it doesn't deserve the bad rep people give it because it's NOT the same as VII.

I realize it's a different way of storytelling. Square usually changes it's style of storytelling and gameplay in every game they do from their previous games. I just remember when VIII came out it was very trendy to bash it because it was very different than the "almighty" VII.
 
Bluevoodu said:
what about phantasy star online's beginning?

†B†V† :hat
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Yeah.. I'd like to know as well! It was a decent beginning...



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supraman said:
^I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me or not? :? I didn't say that VIII was a bad game. I said it was a good game and it doesn't deserve the bad rep people give it because it's NOT the same as VII.

I realize it's a different way of storytelling. Square usually changes it's style of storytelling and gameplay in every game they do from their previous games. I just remember when VIII came out it was very trendy to bash it because it was very different than the "almighty" VII.
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Sorry man, I was agreeing with you. :-) I think FF VIII is a fantastic game and Squall is an amazing character. His development throughout the game rocks the socks. One of Square's best.

And blue, are you talking to yourself up there..? ;-)
 
Um, BV, why did you quote yourself and then comment?

Another cool beginning is Rygar: the Legendary Adventure (But I'm not sure if this qulifies as an RPG).
 
FFVIII has a better beginning then most FF games, except for...wait for it....wait for it.......crap, now I forgot!! :hh
 
Sartori said:
Sorry man, I was agreeing with you. :-) I think FF VIII is a fantastic game and Squall is an amazing character. His development throughout the game rocks the socks. One of Square's best.

And blue, are you talking to yourself up there..? ;-)
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Haha, ok, gotcha. I was like..."but I'm on your side... :("
 
Watched the beginning to FFXII again...it's sooooo cool. Best beginning ever!! Even though I don't understand it, though.(it's in Japanese.)
 
Western RPG's: Why still a niche genre?

Over at Gamerankings, the 3 highest rated RPG's of all time (excluding Chrono Trigger, because it had only like 10 reviews, which isn't enough for Gamerankings to list, so it isn't enough to be put here) are all western. Many other Western RPG's are some of the highest rated of all time, but they rarely surpass even 1 million copies sold. Yet, routinely, we see Final Fantasy, or Dragon Quest, or others sell 5 million copies, or more, and some selling as much as 10 million (FF 7). Western RPG's have never even reached 5 million. We have seen truly great western RPG's (Morrowind, Oblivion, kotor, BG, Fallout, Planescape: Torment, etc...) who match, if not surpass their Japanese counterparts, but fail to sell even a fraction of what many JRPG's do. So why have Western RPG's never been able to expand beyond a niche genre, like their Japanese counterparts have?
 
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I would venture the guess that it's probably because western rpgs started out on PCs, and a lot of the big wrpgs are still on the PC. Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, Elder Scrolls, etc. PCs that are capable of running games can be expensive, even if you build it yourself. There's also the fact that even if your computers are built pretty well, sometimes the requirements on games are such that not all games will run on all PCs.

On the other hand, consoles have always been more accessible to the general public in terms of both price and the fact that a console game will always run on the console it was made for (barring region-coded stuff, anyway). And jrpgs have been on consoles since the NES.
 
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Mai Valentine said:
On the other hand, consoles have always been more accessible to the general public in terms of both price and the fact that a console game will always run on the console it was made for (barring region-coded stuff, anyway). And jrpgs have been on consoles since the NES.
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Yeah, but, look at the sales figures for the NES Final Fantasy games. They all barely sold a million copies.
Mai Valentine said:
I would venture the guess that it's probably because western rpgs started out on PCs, and a lot of the big wrpgs are still on the PC. Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, Elder Scrolls, etc. PCs that are capable of running games can be expensive, even if you build it yourself. There's also the fact that even if your computers are built pretty well, sometimes the requirements on games are such that not all games will run on all PCs.
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True, but I would think that the fact that PC's are so widespread could negate that. I mean, considering the number of PC's we have in the world, I would think the PC gaming market wouldn't be too much smaller than the market of a game restricted to a single console (pending which console of course). Plus, FPS's also began on the PC, yet they appear to have broken through to a more mainstream audience.
 
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A few of the western rpgs you mentioned were on the Xbox, though. And the Xbox didn't even sell half of what the PS2 did. Bigger userbase = more rpg sales. So a mediocre rpg on the PS2 could potentially outsell a rpg on the Xbox as good as KOTOR even if every person who owned an Xbox bought it. And most of the rpgs on the PS2 were jrpgs, which IMO is why they are still more popular than wrpgs.

But hopefully with games like Oblivion and Mass Effect, it will start to even out.
 
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Mai Valentine said:
A few of the western rpgs you mentioned were on the Xbox, though. And the Xbox didn't even sell half of what the PS2 did. Bigger userbase = more rpg sales. So a mediocre rpg on the PS2 could potentially outsell a rpg on the Xbox as good as KOTOR even if every person who owned an Xbox bought it. And most of the rpgs on the PS2 were jrpgs, which IMO is why they are still more popular than wrpgs.

But hopefully with games like Oblivion and Mass Effect, it will start to even out.
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I suppose the fact that the PS2 has such a larger base may explain the difference through this generation. Hopefully the 360 (let's be honest, its the thing most likely to expand the genre) will gain a large enough base to change that.

Idk though. Maybe they just lack the Mass appeal to expand to a larger fanbase...
 
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Eh......I really dont know who likes western rpgs alot.......would wild arms be in this genre...? (i DOUBT it..quick thought)
 
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