Super Tuesday

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bigbob

I'm the naked one!
Wins as of right now:

Republicans:
West Virginia (18 Delegates) - Huckabee

Democrats
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My opinion:
I'm all for Huckabee winning it for for the Republicans because he's a funny man, but when voting time comes for president, I'm hoping Obama will be on that Ticket to be voted in as president.
 
I can't trust Obama. He was raised as a Muslim and when he took oath, he swore under the Koran instead of the Bible. His party always bypasses this by saying he recently joined a Christian church. I think it was just for show.

I'm still undecided on who I'd pick though.
 
Strubes said:
I can't trust Obama. He was raised as a Muslim and when he took oath, he swore under the Koran instead of the Bible. His party always bypasses this by saying he recently joined a Christian church. I think it was just for show.
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Firstly, why couldn't a Muslim be president?

Secondly, if you were to look into it a little more, you would find out that his parents took a completely apathetic view of religion, when he was growing up. He was raised neither Muslim or Christian, and he has described his "Muslim" father as "raised a Muslim, but a confirmed Atheist". He was never Muslim, he became Christian of his own accord, later in his life, and frankly, it shows a lot of religious prejudice on your part, that you can't trust someone because they look to the Quran, instead of the Bible, for their religious truth.

Personally, I'm backing McCain, and Obama, now. McCain is essentially a lock to be the nominee at this point, so I'm very happy. Let's just hope Obama gets the democratic nod, because I would be happy with either of them as the next president.
 
After reading your first sentence, I stopped reading because I know where it is goin. This nation was founded on Christianity and should stay that way. Go ahead and say whatever you need to say, I've given my 2 cents.
 
Strubes said:
After reading your first sentence, I stopped reading because I know where it is goin. This nation was founded on Christianity and should stay that way. Go ahead and say whatever you need to say, I've given my 2 cents.
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I wish you would have continued reading because, while I disagree with that with every fiber of my being, I also pointed out in my post that Obama was not raised a Muslim.
 
Strubes said:
After reading your first sentence, I stopped reading because I know where it is goin. This nation was founded on Christianity and should stay that way. Go ahead and say whatever you need to say, I've given my 2 cents.
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He has taken to the Christian faith, so he is now a Christian..but that's not the point...

He is probably the best presidential candidate out right now, mainly because if you look at Hillary, it's basically Bill running the show and Hillary just there for the Debates.
 
At the age of 6, Obama attended a Muslim school in Jakarta. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. His political handlers reply, and I quote:

"He was once a Muslim, but he also attended a Catholic school".

Just needed to get that point across that he WAS in fact a Muslim. And it's ok that you disagree with everything Homi, that's your choice, not mine. :)
 
1: Religion should no longer be an subject of debate when looking at presidential candidates. We've been through 8 years with Religion running most of the country and look at it now.

2: I'm with Cherry on this one. Even though I like some of Huckabee's policies he wants to keep religion in office.

3: ummm yea.. Bob, Hillary has been running the show since Bill was in office. If she wasn't would she have stayed with him through most of Bill's sandals? No, she would have left him and Bill would've most likely been thrown out of office.

4: Yea, keeping a person out of office because of a religion makes you wonder why most of the World hates the US. >.<
 
Strubes said:
After reading your first sentence, I stopped reading because I know where it is goin. This nation was founded on Christianity and should stay that way. Go ahead and say whatever you need to say, I've given my 2 cents.
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Way to be open minded there champ! Seriously, this whole close minded thing is what hurts America the most in times like this. Did we not learn this from this Administration!? Ah well, I can't change your mind, so I won't even try :)
 
Strubes said:
Precisely. Open-minded? You don't even know me dude. :lol

That's alright though, think of me the way you want. 8)
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Well, making a comment like, "After reading your first sentence, I stopped reading because I know where it is goin." seems pretty darn close minded to me, lol. Also, religion should not play ANY role what so ever in a political decisions and actions, so why does it matter what he is or is not? I'm just saying if you base your judgments and views because of religion, that seems close minded, *imo*. And I don't know you, all I know is what I see on the forums. I have no idea what you are like out of the forums, obviously :)
 
Strubes said:
"He was once a Muslim, but he also attended a Catholic school".
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To quote Dart: "Attending Church makes you a Christian as much as standing in a garage makes you a car." (paraphrased a bit). Going to a Muslim school for three years makes you no more Muslim than standing in a garage makes you a car. He was living in Indonesia. They have the largest Muslim population in the world. There simply were no other schools for him to go to, during his brief time there. Basically, this wasn't his choice. It was his choice to join the church he has been a part of for the last twenty years, however.
Strubes said:
Just needed to get that point across that he WAS in fact a Muslim. And it's ok that you disagree with everything Homi, that's your choice, not mine. :)
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Just as it is yours to judge so much based on a religion someone isn't actually a part of. I'm not trying to that away from you. I'm just trying to root out misconception. ;)
 
:lol Ok.

I don't really care all that much. Thought it would be fun to throw a little controversy into the mix. You guys eat that stuff up. :)
 
Don't know who I want for president yet. There is just so much that needs to be done that I don't think *one* single candidate is going to be able to do it right. They all seem to have something that can help the country but there is still so much that I disagree with, we'll see. Right now it seems Obama and McCain are the ones who I believe are the closest to be able to do a good job.
 
Strubes said:
After reading your first sentence, I stopped reading because I know where it is goin. This nation was founded on Christianity and should stay that way. Go ahead and say whatever you need to say, I've given my 2 cents.
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You've handled yourself mightily well in this thread Strubes. You, and everyone else, have taken a very delicate subject matter and have kept it incredibly civil thus far - a testament to the idea that people of all viewpoints, particularly religious ones, can get along while still having fundamental differences between them. I'm very impressed.

To carry on this trend, I would like to say that it appears your opinion of Islam is not well founded in fact. If you could perhaps provide some reasons as to why a Muslim should not be president I may be more open to your opinion, but it seems to me to be a product of, well, prejudice and ignorance.

I don't know, maybe you know more than you're letting on and you're just avoiding the discussion altogether because you think explaining yourself would be a fruitless exercise. I can't say you're wrong in that, the internet being what it is a lot of wise words fall on deaf ears. However, I would certainly gain a healthy dose of insight into your view on this particular matter if you were willing to discuss it.

Having said that, this is a potential quagmire, and if you insist on your vow of silence I can't fault you either way. The ball is in your court and it does not matter to me which way you run with it. I must say though, I was somewhat shocked to hear you so decided on this decision, I did not expect it from you. Although, in hindsight, the desire to keep America a predominantly Christian society, in terms of fundamental morality, principles, and what have you, is not something I see as prejudiced or ignorant. So it may have simply been the way you said it that shocked me, and not the why.

Very interesting. I would very much like to have this discussion, but once again, the choice is entirely yours, and I wouldn't hold it against you in the least if you opt out.
 
stealth toilet said:
You've handled yourself mightily well in this thread Strubes. You, and everyone else, have taken a very delicate subject matter and have kept it incredibly civil thus far - a testament to the idea that people of all viewpoints, particularly religious ones, can get along while still having fundamental differences between them. I'm very impressed.
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Thanks. I don't like flame wars as these topics tend to bring about.

To carry on this trend, I would like to say that it appears your opinion of Islam is not well founded in fact. If you could perhaps provide some reasons as to why a Muslim should not be president I may be more open to your opinion, but it seems to me to be a product of, well, prejudice and ignorance.
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I'm just a traditional man. I love tradition. Michigan vs Ohio State in football, turkey on Thanksgiving, and a Christian President. I guess you could say I'm not too fond of too much change. You never know what Obama would do if more people wanted to take the bible out of different buildings and such. I'm just worried is all. If he does become President, I'll change my views and will be more open towards it.

I don't know, maybe you know more than you're letting on and you're just avoiding the discussion altogether because you think explaining yourself would be a fruitless exercise. I can't say you're wrong in that, the internet being what it is a lot of wise words fall on deaf ears. However, I would certainly gain a healthy dose of insight into your view on this particular matter if you were willing to discuss it.

Having said that, this is a potential quagmire, and if you insist on your vow of silence I can't fault you either way. The ball is in your court and it does not matter to me which way you run with it. I must say though, I was somewhat shocked to hear you so decided on this decision, I did not expect it from you. Although, in hindsight, the desire to keep America a predominantly Christian society, in terms of fundamental morality, principles, and what have you, is not something I see as prejudiced or ignorant. So it may have simply been the way you said it that shocked me, and not the why.

Very interesting. I would very much like to have this discussion, but once again, the choice is entirely yours, and I wouldn't hold it against you in the least if you opt out.
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No problems there. I just don't like to get into heavy arguing is all. A good debate never hurt anyone. :)
 
Strubes said:
I'm just a traditional man. I love tradition. Michigan vs Ohio State in football, turkey on Thanksgiving, and a Christian President.
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I hear you there. I actually voted Conservative in the last Canadian election because I thought the candidate (Steven Harper) was a strong willed man who held traditional Christian values very close. I, as a Christian, enjoy a man like that running the show. However, if I could go back in time and vote otherwise, I probably would. Apparently supporting traditional values also means you enjoy cutting social programs and kissing up to the American president. :lol

The more I thought about what you were saying the more it made sense to me from your perspective. The way you said it just seemed so deliberate, like I said, it was a bit offsetting. In any event, I think I get where you're coming from, but I may suggest you take a second look at Obama and not write him off simply because of an alleged background. He seems like a strapping young lad to me. :lol

Seriously, Obama for Prez. :woot
 
stealth toilet said:
The more I thought about what you were saying the more it made sense to me from your perspective. The way you said it just seemed so deliberate, like I said, it was a bit offsetting. In any event, I think I get where you're coming from, but I may suggest you take a second look at Obama and not write him off simply because of an alleged background. He seems like a strapping young lad to me. :lol
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Not only that, but his Islamic background is limited to a few years schooling, in Indonesia, and he is a Christian, as of now.
 
stealth toilet said:
I hear you there. I actually voted Conservative in the last Canadian election because I thought the candidate (Steven Harper) was a strong willed man who held traditional Christian values very close. I, as a Christian, enjoy a man like that running the show. However, if I could go back in time and vote otherwise, I probably would. Apparently supporting traditional values also means you enjoy cutting social programs and kissing up to the American president. :lol

The more I thought about what you were saying the more it made sense to me from your perspective. The way you said it just seemed so deliberate, like I said, it was a bit offsetting. In any event, I think I get where you're coming from, but I may suggest you take a second look at Obama and not write him off simply because of an alleged background. He seems like a strapping young lad to me. :lol

Seriously, Obama for Prez. :woot
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Well I will say, between him and Hillary, I'd go with Obama. :lol
 
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