Tyson Plant Drops Labor Day for Muslim Holiday

stealth toilet said:
The union voted for it. It passed with 80% in favor. Did you guys even read the article? :lol
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I skimmed. I thought my "high number of Muslim employees" post had something to do with it though. :D

stealth toilet said:
That sounds pretty socialist to me. Pretty soon you'll be demanding the freedom of assembly, and then you'll want unions, and health care, and before you know it you'll be living in CommunistLand! :D
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:lol I think that a little bit of Socialism wouldn't hurt depending on where it's being utilized. I don't think Capitalism is the one-size-fits all economic system that everyone here sees it as. Although I would not want America to be purely Socialist at all. I think we should utilize the best of all the systems and implement them. But then again, I'm not an economist so that could just be wishful thinking.
 
stealth toilet said:
The union voted for it. It passed with 80% in favor. Did you guys even read the article? :lol

If you mean in name only then would you be upset if people called the fourth of July Independence Day instead? Would it still be "American?" Which name makes it American? Would you care if some people called Labor Day eid al-fatr? Or if people simply called it "Labor Day" or "Independence Day" or any other name, would it matter how they celebrated that holiday?
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im glad it passed with 80% of the majority vote! my point that i am trying to make now that i have heard others opinions and posting conversations is that they should have both off!

1. eid al-fatr is a Muslim holiday and since they should have it off.
2. Labor Day is an American holiday. since they live here in the good ol' USA.... they should get this one off too.

that's what i am trying to get across now is that if they are American, then they should allow it.
 
stealth toilet said:
They have 8 stat holidays, and they voted to change the date of 1. In many ways, the fact that a worker's union collectively bargained to choose when they could celebrate Labor Day, and what they could call it, is a celebration of everything Labor Day stands for. 7/8 other holidays of the year they are still observing "American" holidays, and if there are some people who passionately want to take off work on Labor Day they can opt out of the union.

This is really an un-news story.
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so what you are saying is that just because they are a union, they cant add a holiday??? if so, thats stupid! :shame
 
CreepinDeth said:
I skimmed. I thought my "high number of Muslim employees" post had something to do with it though. :D
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Haha, well just because someone votes for a changed holiday doesn't necessarily make them Muslim. In fact I think the article counted how many Somalis worked at the plant, and assumed that all the Somalis were Muslim, and that they were the Muslim contingent that lobbied for this change, but that's all speculation. It could just as well have been a high number of Christian employees who wanted to act generously toward their Muslim co-workers.

CreepinDeth said:
:lol I think that a little bit of Socialism wouldn't hurt depending on where it's being utilized. I don't think Capitalism is the one-size-fits all economic system that everyone here sees it as. Although I would not want America to be purely Socialist at all. I think we should utilize the best of all the systems and implement them. But then again, I'm not an economist so that could just be wishful thinking.
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I was just kidding, without any rib-nudging intended. Communism actually necessitates the abolition of religion, which is always interesting. The next time someone gets on a high horse about how religious people shouldn't be allowed in government, tell them Stalin thought so too. :lol
 
stealth toilet said:
I was just kidding, without any rib-nudging intended. Communism actually necessitates the abolition of religion, which is always interesting. The next time someone gets on a high horse about how religious people shouldn't be allowed in government, tell them Stalin thought so too. :lol
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Haha, you got me there. I'm not up on my Communist game. :lol

But good advice. I'll definitely keep that in mind.
 
Tank.of.AH said:
so what you are saying is that just because they are a union, they cant add a holiday??? if so, thats stupid! :shame
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Not at all. What this news story describes is the practical application of your suggestion.

The union helps ensure the workers get 8 holidays a year. The union also ensures that the workers actually get a say in which holidays and when (though I believe some would be non-negotiable). The reason more holidays aren't added has to do with state and federal legislation, not unions. Though if enough Americans lobbied for it, that could change too.

It's not realistic to try and cater to every individual's desires to determine when and what kind of holidays are observed, so systems are put in place to ensure that holidays are recognized but flexible. This news story is a good example of how unions, governments, and private business owners are all participate in systems that, when working properly, can adjust to changes in workforce demographics at a local level. You can have your Labor Day, and they can have their eid al-fatr, which is precisely what you want, right?
 
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