will revolution be a flop ?

it will just cost more to make these games its just a fact.

but they have a strategy for keeping costs down. put advertisements in the game.
 
FF7 master said:
it will just cost more to make these games its just a fact.

but they have a strategy for keeping costs down. put advertisements in the game.
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I just hope it doesnt get overdone. I dont mind a few ads here and there but when the whole game becomes one big ad it gets distracting. Plus Sony is using Blu-Ray discs. Which naturally are more expensive. And thats because its brand new technology. If it ever becomes the standard im sure the prices will drop significantly.
 
I remember hearing one of the developers from ID talking about next generation game development at E3. I remember him saying that everyone assumes that games will take longer/be harder to make on the next generation consoles, but that's not necessarily the case. He said that developers have always been "fighting" the technology to see their visions on screen, higher production values are just another hurdle to jump over.

He basically said that next gen games won't require more programming, just better programming. The increase in the price of games will probably be determined more by the media its put on than the actual content of the game itself.

However, he was just one developer, so who knows.
 
well... CD / DVD is really cheap to make... so I cannot imagine that it would be THAT much more to produce.

Even those blue ray discs.... when being manufactured in the quantity that they are..... I just don't see it being a sufficient increase to make it a minimum $10 jump... you know?

BV :hat
 
Bluevoodu said:
well... CD / DVD is really cheap to make... so I cannot imagine that it would be THAT much more to produce.

Even those blue ray discs.... when being manufactured in the quantity that they are..... I just don't see it being a sufficient increase to make it a minimum $10 jump... you know?

BV :hat
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But CD's and DVD's are standard. Blu-ray is a brand new format with chemicals that are more expensive to make.
 
creepindeth04 said:
But CD's and DVD's are standard. Blu-ray is a brand new format with chemicals that are more expensive to make.
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still.... do you think when DVD came out it was that expensive?
When games went to DVD and CD... they were cheaper than cartridges.... and when games switched to DVD, you didn't see a price increase.

Blu-ray is pretty much the same as DVD... of course a little bit different..... but its not like they are printing circuit boards / chips again.
IMO it doesn't justify the cost increase. I would pay more for cartridges.... but anything on a disc... I would not. I don't think its right to start charging over $50 for a game on a disc.

Besides.. is the Xbox using Blu-ray? I thought they were using a DVD format?

†B†V† :hat
 
They're using HD-DVD's I think. Both Blu-ray discs and HD-DVD's are made the same way, its just that they hold more memory. Its just like with blank cd's. A 70 minute blank cd is going to be cheaper than a double sided one. Which reminds me, I think Blu-ray's might have two sides, or maybe that was the HD's, or both...

Either way, I think it just has to do with the amount of data that's capably of being stored on the disc that raises the price. I think its a pretty standard price change, and in all honesty, its not even that big a deal. It's just $10, and prices will go down anyway. What I'm more concerned about are the price tags on the systems themselves.
 
except... the price tag on the system is a 1 time deal.

Lets say you buy 50 games over the system... thats $500 extra you had to spend to get those games.

When the average person doesn't want to spend $50 on a game.... why would they up it to $60?
oh well I guess.... its not a big deal to me... just I don't think its right for them to charge $10 extra.



BV :hat
 
stealth toilet said:
They're using HD-DVD's I think. Both Blu-ray discs and HD-DVD's are made the same way, its just that they hold more memory. Its just like with blank cd's. A 70 minute blank cd is going to be cheaper than a double sided one. Which reminds me, I think Blu-ray's might have two sides, or maybe that was the HD's, or both...

Either way, I think it just has to do with the amount of data that's capably of being stored on the disc that raises the price. I think its a pretty standard price change, and in all honesty, its not even that big a deal. It's just $10, and prices will go down anyway. What I'm more concerned about are the price tags on the systems themselves.
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I heard somewhere, but can't remember where that HD-DVD are going to be sold in Triple Layers and Hold 45 GB while blu ray will be dual layered and hold 50 GB. And XBox 360 will be using regular DVD's. There is no way Microsoft will ever use Blu Ray because it's made by Sony plus they have a Partnership with Toshiba who make HD-DVD.
@ Bluevoodu... Do you really think the $10 increase in price is actually due to the disc itself? The reason the price will be going up is because it will take more people than before to make games and those people need to get paid. A Profit needs to be made off the software if they keep the prices the same and have to pay more to make the game they will not make a profit. It is alright for them to charge an extra $10 because the games we will be getting will have better Graphics, A.I, and bigger environments. Oh and the average people are willing to spend and extra $10 on games. Look at Madden, Doom and Halo Collectors edition. They all sold better than the $50 ones.
 
right right... but those games had "extras" with them.
The majority of gamers are not the ones preordering btw.

They aren't going to have more people working on the games... the trend in the industry has been to have less people working on a game.
Just because its on a new format doesn't mean its going to provide or use more jobs. In fact, development will be easier than before.... and should be more efficient and not require more jobs.

Bv :hat
 
Extras or not they still cost $60 and people still paid for them.
It will cost more money to develop games and you will need more people. Look at the detail that will be in next gen games. You think those models can be created by the machine alone. Someone has to make them. This is where you need more people. You will need more artist to make an 8 million polygon character and have everyhting in a minumum of 720p. Take Bungie for example they doubled there staff recently.Now, why would they do this if it will be so much more easier to develop for next gen consoles? Not to mention as time goes on things cost more. This you can not deny.
 
Fatty said:
Extras or not they still cost $60 and people still paid for them.
It will cost more money to develop games and you will need more people. Look at the detail that will be in next gen games. You think those models can be created by the machine alone. Someone has to make them. This is where you need more people. You will need more artist to make an 8 million polygon character and have everyhting in a minumum of 720p. Take Bungie for example they doubled there staff recently.Now, why would they do this if it will be so much more easier to develop for next gen consoles? Not to mention as time goes on things cost more. This you can not deny.
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hes got a point every thing cost more now
 
Fatty said:
Extras or not they still cost $60 and people still paid for them.
It will cost more money to develop games and you will need more people. Look at the detail that will be in next gen games. You think those models can be created by the machine alone. Someone has to make them. This is where you need more people. You will need more artist to make an 8 million polygon character and have everyhting in a minumum of 720p. Take Bungie for example they doubled there staff recently.Now, why would they do this if it will be so much more easier to develop for next gen consoles? Not to mention as time goes on things cost more. This you can not deny.
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One of the reasons they could have doubled is so they can take on more projects at the same time. And actually BV is correct in the sense that its not going to take more people just more time. Plus with programs like Z-brush and claytools, modeling high detail models has become more efficient and easier.
 
Not to mention as time goes on things cost more.
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Only due to inflation. Generally as far as technology is concerned the price goes down as time goes on.

Plus I agree with Creepin. Development on new games will not require more men or even more man hours to complete, just better tools and better use of those hours. Even with the price increase, comapnies will be looking to turn as big a profit as possible. The lower they can keep their budgets, the better, so there's no point in doubling your staff or lengthening deadline periods when you can just make your existing programmer's and equipment more efficient.
 
stealth toilet said:
Only due to inflation. Generally as far as technology is concerned the price goes down as time goes on.

Plus I agree with Creepin. Development on new games will not require more men or even more man hours to complete, just better tools and better use of those hours. Even with the price increase, comapnies will be looking to turn as big a profit as possible. The lower they can keep their budgets, the better, so there's no point in doubling your staff or lengthening deadline periods when you can just make your existing programmer's and equipment more efficient.
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bingo. Video game systems are very expensive during the beginning.... maybe 2 million systems. But after that, the price starts going down manufacturing wise.
nintendo actually made money through out the lifespan of that Gamecube ON the hardware.... whereas the 1st 1 year + for Microsoft saw losses of nearly $133 million per 3 months... or some number to that fact. It was crazy. Sony.... heck, their Ps2 was pure profit by the time the Dreamcast died :lol

And it would be crazy for ANY hardware developer to make it harder on programmers. More complex tasks are handled by better sofware..etc.. that makes tasks easier.
I doubt you will see much growth of members per team on an individual project. there may be growth working on multiple projects.

Everything these days is geared toward getting the games out fast.

BV :hat
 
I am actually looking forward to the Revolution. I think if they make another game like S Mario 64 than that would be fine. But I am tired of seeing Mario Party this and Mario Kart that. I just want to play a decent Mario adventure for once. The Gamecube was nothing to the Nes/SNES. They were much better. The Gamecube barely had any game selection. I expect better from Nintendo. I hope that Revolution doesn't fail me.
 
Okita-Kun said:
I am actually looking forward to the Revolution. I think if they make another game like S Mario 64 than that would be fine. But I am tired of seeing Mario Party this and Mario Kart that. I just want to play a decent Mario adventure for once. The Gamecube was nothing to the Nes/SNES. They were much better. The Gamecube barely had any game selection. I expect better from Nintendo. I hope that Revolution doesn't fail me.
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But I dont think thats Nintendo's fault since 3rd party developers would have rather develop for the other two systems. And there is nothing wrong with Mario Kart. Ill agree with Mario Party, But Mario Kart is awsome.
 
Mario Party ROCKED! But, as the name says, it is a party game. If there is online play in the next one, it will be loads better. Just go back to the roots of the series. Mario Party 1 & 2 were the best ones. 3 was ok, 4 was mediocre, 5 and 6 put the series in franchise "prostitution mode".

1 and 2 had fun boards, enough secrets to keep you palying for a while, single player activites (Minigame Island). They also had the best mini games (MP1 is the only game that ever caused me physical harm and I still played on)
 
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