I don't know if I should buy a new console

stealth toilet said:
Well, I'd say if it was multiplayer that you cared about, then an Xbox would definitely be the way to go. It's even got a couple single player gems that would be worth checking out. It is more expensive, but when you think about it, if you're only gonna get one console, you may as well spend as much as you need to ensure you're gonna be playing the games you want. $200 well spent is a lot better than $100 wasted. With the PS2 you're getting a ton of games where you're bound to find a bunch that you like. With an Xbox you're getting the best graphics and the best online/multiplayer. With the Cube you're getting your Marios and Zeldas, and not much else. I'd sleep on your decision one more night just to make sure that's what you want.

Do me a favour and pay no attention to that post. That's the biggest load of crap I think i've ever seen on this message board. Why? Because it's completely biast.

Well, I'd say if it was multiplayer that you cared about, then an Xbox would definitely be the way to go.

Wrong. The Xbox is NOT the way to go for multi-player games. The Gamecube offers some fantastic multi-player games that aren't available on any other console. The PS2, with it's huge libary, will also provide great multi-player games, although you do have to splash out on more for a multi-tap. Each console has it's own good multi-player titles, but i've found way more on Gamecube and PS2 than on Xbox, and i've known many other sources that agree.

It's even got a couple single player gems that would be worth checking out.

Not even half as many as the PS2 and Gamecube have.  ;)

It is more expensive,

Way more expensive...

but when you think about it, if you're only gonna get one console, you may as well spend as much as you need to ensure you're gonna be playing the games you want. $200 well spent is a lot better than $100 wasted.

If you're only gonna get one console, you need to look at what you can get from the console. Mega has already stated that he loves the Sonic the Zelda games, which the Gamecube provides quite nicely. There's also a ton of games for under $20 that Mai has just listed. Most of which aren't going to dissapoint someone who's previously enjoyed Sega and Nintendo franchises. That $100 is hardly looking "wasted" now, is it? However, i'd like you to list what $200, twice the amount, is going to do for him. So truthfully, spending $100 on a console that will guarentee good titles is a lot better than $200 wasted on a console that can't do the same.

With the Cube you're getting your Marios and Zeldas, and not much else. I'd sleep on your decision one more night just to make sure that's what you want.

No, you're not just getting your Marios and Zeldas. Again, a biast opinion. Not much else? I can name about 15 exclusive titles, great ones, for the Gamecube. Games that mainstreamers like yourself fail to enjoy because they aren't online or don't belong to the console with the higest graphics.

Mega, get a Gamecube or a PS2.
 
Very well put Retro,

I'm very surprised how this thread turned out

Oh Mai, I have a DVD player already, so that's not a big problem for me :)

Well looks like I'm gonna have to go with a GameCube since Mai and Retro pretty much hit it on the nail
 
stealth toilet said:
Now it's my turn to call Hog Wash.

It has been my experience, having seen multiple games across multiple consoles on each console, and seeing 2 consoles matched up side by side on numerous occasions, that the Xbox has superior graphics in most games. Any 3rd party game that is across multiple consoles always looks best on Xbox, whether that's due to technology or just developer's getting lazy when it comes to porting, the Xbox comes out on top. PS2 games that keep up with Xbox versions usually have outstanding graphics for a PS2 game. The Cube can usually hold its own when compared graphic-wise to the Xbox, but there are only a few games for the Cube that really give the Xbox a run for its money. If you don't believe me that's fine, check out the IGN head-to-head-to-head articles. Nine times out of ten the Xbox version of the game will surpass both the PS2 and Gamecube in visuals and sound.

I was being fair. Nintendo's strength is in its first party titles, its "marios and zeldas". If you're buying a Gamecube and you've never heard of Zelda and you don't know who Mario is, you're probably making the wrong choice. I'm not saying that you wouldn't end up liking both those franchises, but realistically you'd find many more games that suited you on the PS2. As well with a PS2 you have the option to play online, you wouldn't miss out on any third party games at all, and as someone else mentioned earlier, its backwards compatible with PS1 games.

your not comparing things right though. THE ONLY reason (on a per game basis) that the Xbox has better graphics is because the developers PORT THE GAME FROM THE PS2 TO THE GAMECUBE. How retarded is that?

Another reason is because the Gamecube is NOT set bent on visuals... as Nintendo has stated themselves. It can be done... developers just choose not to. Thats what I have always stated.

It is a bunch of hogwash. I have yet to see the Xbox look much better than the gamecube. I am comparing BOTH on S-video. Thats how I do all my comparisons. You better believe I play everything that comes through my shop.

Enjoy whatever you get mega.

†B†V† :hat
 
:lol Ohhh you guys... let's take it from the top, shall we?

Do me a favour and pay no attention to that post. That's the biggest load of crap I think i've ever seen on this message board. Why? Because it's completely biast.

First of all, its spelled "biased". If you're going to put down my post, do it properly. Secondly, "opinion" would have been a much better word, because it's my opinion. As well, referring to it as "the biggest load of crap"(I would like the record to show the mud slinging started with Retro, not me, and from here on in I get to be as sarcastic as I want)... are we in grade 3 here? Because if we are, you are a poo-poo head.

Wrong. The Xbox is NOT the way to go for multi-player games. The Gamecube offers some fantastic multi-player games that aren't available on any other console.

Right and wrong do not apply to comments based on my opinion. My favorite color is blue, yours is green, does that mean blue is wrong? Of course not. If I think the Xbox has the best multiplayer, then that's my opinion, not a fact, so don't tell me its wrong. Sure the GC has some great multiplayer titles; Mario Golf, Mario Party(quite a few of these), Mario Tennis, Mario Kart, etc. Of course, if you're not into Mario, there's considerably less choices, and if you don't have 3 friends available 24/7, then a lot of the multiplayer features will go unused. And if you owned a 64, there's really not much need to play any of these games. I know I enjoyed MK64, and Mario Party 2 more than any of the later versions, but I don't want to come off as biased, so make sure you rent and try every game on the GC at least once before you judge it, because even if it doesn't look like fun that's no reason not to waste money on it.

The PS2, with it’s huge libary, will also provide great multi-player games, although you do have to splash out on more for a multi-tap. Each console has it's own good multi-player titles, but i've found way more on Gamecube and PS2 than on Xbox, and i've known many other sources that agree.

I'd like the names, addresses, genders, and average age of these sources, to prove that they exist. Ok, that's not necessary, but that statement is completely irrelevant. If you want a way to gauge how many people are playing GC multiplayer games and Xbox multiplayer games, take a look at the member lists for NextBC(although I think their name has changed, have to get back to you guys on that) and the Warp Pipe. These are both services that provide free online play for online/LAN enabled games. Average users on NextBC varies from 500-5000, depending on the time you're playing. Average users on the Warp Pipe... well, I couldn't tell you, every time I tried to play someone over it, no one else was on. Kind of pathetic, really. Now, is this a completely inaccurate way of gauging who's playing what multiplayer games on which console? Of course, but it's a lot more accurate and unbiased than "I know a lot of people who agree with me", and you don't just have to take my word for it. Check if for yourself.

(in regards to good single player games on the Xbox) [There are] Not even half as many as the PS2 and Gamecube have.
Having next to no online ability will do that to a console. I mean, while everyone else is having fun playing Mortal Kombat with people their skill level halfway around the world, you'll be enjoying the great "single-player" experience defeating bot after bot after bot. Must be very rewarding.

Way more expensive...

That’s not entirely true. For one thing, the Xbox comes with a built in hard drive, meaning you don't have to buy any memory cards whatsoever. I myself have spent a good $80 on memory cards alone. Convert that to American $, you're looking at at least $50 if you want to save a decent number of games, but if you want the freedom to save anything, anytime, you're looking at more like $80-100 on memory cards, American. Oh, and if you do want to play any GC games online, that's another $40 for a BBA. Oh, and if you want to play the only GC game built for online, you'll be paying a monthly fee. Oh, I almost forgot this one, I've already busted 2 of my GC controllers. On my first the joystick broke and my second the c-stick broke, so expect to pay another $40 on replacement controllers. Kind of adds up, doesn't it?

If you're only gonna get one console, you need to look at what you can get from the console. Mega has already stated that he loves the Sonic the Zelda games, which the Gamecube provides quite nicely. There's also a ton of games for under $20 that Mai has just listed. Most of which aren't going to dissapoint someone who's previously enjoyed Sega and Nintendo franchises. That $100 is hardly looking "wasted" now, is it? However, i'd like you to list what $200, twice the amount, is going to do for him. So truthfully, spending $100 on a console that will guarentee good titles is a lot better than $200 wasted on a console that can't do the same.

::) By the way, I'm not rolling my eyes, I'm looking up at my previous statement. Paying $200 up front will save him the hassle of buying and keeping track of memory cards. It will allow him to play any number of great online games for a single annual fee. He could even use it as a DVD player, or store some of his favorite songs on it, and replace some game soundtracks with songs he likes. If you want to talk about consoles that "can't do the same," you're on the wrong side of the argument. I understand that he liked previous Zelda and Sonic installments, I never disputed that the GC wouldn't give that too him, but there are plenty of  good $20 games for Xbox that Mai could list, if she was so inclined. I just thought that maybe if he wanted something new, he should consider the Xbox.

No, you're not just getting your Marios and Zeldas. Again, a biast opinion. Not much else? I can name about 15 exclusive titles, great ones, for the Gamecube. Games that mainstreamers like yourself fail to enjoy because they aren't online or don't belong to the console with the higest graphics.

"mainstreamers like me?" What does this have to do with anything? Trust me, if I was a “mainstream gamer” I doubt I’d spend my time talking about videogames on message boards. Don’t kid yourself, you’re not any more knowledgeable or enlightened about videogames than me just because you’re console of choice is unpopular. And again with the "biast opinion" nonsense. You're statement of being able to name 15 "great" exclusive titles for the GC is just as "biast" as what I said about Marios and Zeldas. Except mine is based on observation. Don't take my word for it, MegaDrive himself said that one of his reasons for buying a GC was for Zelda. I bought my GC for Zelda. A lot of people here probably did as well. It's not a dig at Nintendo, its the plain truth. First Party titles is about all the GC has going for it (and to a certain extent, cost, but that's just because all the bells and whistles for it are sold separately, $800 Panasonic GC anyone?). In fact, I bet at least half of those 15 “great” titles for GC are made by Nintendo, probably more. That’s Nintendo’s strength, but that’s pretty much it. The Xbox has great graphics and online, and the PS2 has the greatest game library known to man. Again, if you don’t like your Marios and Zeldas(by that I mean games made by Nintendo) then you probably won’t have much use for a GC.

Mega, get a Gamecube or a PS2.

Odd, I also suggested he get a PS2. Its almost like we're on the same side... almost...

your not comparing things right though.  THE ONLY reason (on a per game basis) that the Xbox has better graphics is because the developers PORT THE GAME FROM THE PS2 TO THE GAMECUBE.  How retarded is that?

I specifically stated, and I quote myself here: "Any 3rd party game that is across multiple consoles always looks best on Xbox, whether that's due to technology or just developer's getting lazy when it comes to porting, the Xbox comes out on top."

In other words, REGARDLESS THE REASON, GC GAMES (IN GENERAL) SCORE LOWER THAN XBOX VERSIONS, OF THE SAME GAME, FOR GRAPHICS. Please read through my posts so that I don’t have to restate what I already said. You want to play a game with sub-par graphics, then by a Cube and rant about how lazy developers are. Or, you want to play a game with top-notch graphics, by an Xbox.

Another reason is because the Gamecube is NOT set bent on visuals... as Nintendo has stated themselves.  It can be done... developers just choose not to.  Thats what I have always stated.

Developers also choose to not develop for the Cube, period. Once again, you can cry about it, or you can understand that there's another console that fulfills these desires.

It is a bunch of hogwash.  I have yet to see the Xbox look much better than the gamecube.  I am comparing BOTH on S-video.  Thats how I do all my comparisons.  You better believe I play everything that comes through my shop.

First, define “much better”. Secondly, I have to disagree with you there. Me, and the editorial staff at IGN. Just take a look at the head-to-head-to-head articles. Every once in awhile a GC game will come out on top, but its not very often, in fact, its almost never.

Sorry guys, if Mega's gonna buy a GC it should be because he likes Marios and Zeldas (or should I say Sonics and Zeldas, would that make ya'll happy?) not because someone on a message board told him the graphics are just as good as the Xbox's and there are way more, better, cheaper, games on it.

I bought my GC for Zelda, and now, 4 years later, I’m finally going to get what I wanted. But in those 4 years that I waited I was fairly disappointed with the games that came out for the GC, and in all honesty, I really wish I’d have bought an Xbox instead. I just want Mega to think about his decision and not make the same mistake I did.

edits: quoting issues...
 
I understand that he liked previous Zelda and Sonic installments, I never disputed that the GC wouldn't give that too him, but there are plenty of good $20 games for Xbox that Mai could list, if she was so inclined.

No, not really.

I mean there's a lot of $20 games for XBOX...but good $20 games? Not so much, at least in my own personal opinion.

The only ones that I can think of off the top of my head are:

Psi-Ops: Mindgate Conspiracy
Outrun 2
Amped
Amped 2
Project Gotham Racing
Project Gotham Racing 2
Voodoo Vince
Crimson Skies

Other $20 games like Prince of Persia, Finding Nemo, etc. are multiplatform anyway.

For the most part, the games worth owning on XBOX (Halo, Halo 2, Ninja Gaiden, Chronicles of Riddick, for example) are all still at least $30. And to get the most enjoyment out of Halo 2 and other multiplayer XBOX games, you're going to need XBL, which is going to cost you for the XBL subscription and broadband, which if Mega is a poor cuss, wouldn't be a good option.

My favorites are in this order: GC>XBOX>PS2.

But for Mega I would recommend GC>PS2>XBOX because of the money situation and the type of games he seems to like.

You're arguing for the XBOX on the justification that XBL makes it better than a GC for multiplayer, but you have to remember that not everyone has broadband to go on XBL, nor can everyone afford it. If that is the case, then, at least in my personal opinion, the GC offers more games that are good for multiplayer fun. Because either way, if you can't go online, you're going to have to bring friends, and it would be just as easy/hard to bring friends over to play Halo 1 or 2 as it would be to have friends come over to play Super Smash Bros. Melee or Super Monkey Ball.
 
I think everyone is forgetting a very important aspect of this arguement.

PS2 and Xbox are the only next gen consoles that feature games where you can steal cars, rob liqour stores, kill policemen and old ladies, buy "bling bling", parachute into the ghetto, make sexist and racist comments, feature explicit language, get gang related tattoo's, experience a vivid 4 year old graphics engine, enjoy innovative new game design ideas such as riding bicycles and eating food, pick up prostitutes, have sexual intercourse with said prostitutes, kill said prostitutes, experience buggy gameplay like getting stuck in walls or cars as they explode, and last but not least SWIM..thats right folks these games will now even let you swim believe it or not!

Just thought I'd be a proper sarcast since stealth had the sarcasm meter on lockdown in this thread.

By the way...Buy a gamecube if thats what you want...other peoples opinions should have no influence on what you as a person like at any rate. Take me for instance...if I were only going to own one console it would be a Neo-Geo or Super Nintendo..so theres no accounting for taste.
 
Dr_Ackula said:
PS2 and Xbox are the only next gen consoles that feature games where you can steal cars, rob liqour stores, kill policemen and old ladies, buy "bling bling", parachute into the ghetto, make sexist and racist comments, feature explicit language, get gang related tattoo's, experience a vivid 4 year old graphics engine, enjoy innovative new game design ideas such as riding bicycles and eating food, pick up prostitutes, have sexual intercourse with said prostitutes, kill said prostitutes, experience buggy gameplay like getting stuck in walls or cars as they explode, and last but not least SWIM..thats right folks these games will now even let you swim believe it or not!

lol good point.
 
Well my recomendation is: the Gamecube. Why? Because first of all you are low on money. The system can cost you as low as $60. Second, it has your favorite games already like Mario, zelda and, of course, Sonic. Third it has four controller ports for multiplayer. And finally, the graphics aren't sub-par. They're not as good as an x-box, but still looks great.
 
PS2 and Xbox are the only next gen consoles that feature games where you can steal cars, rob liqour stores, kill policemen and old ladies, buy "bling bling", parachute into the ghetto, make sexist and racist comments, feature explicit language, get gang related tattoo's, experience a vivid 4 year old graphics engine, enjoy innovative new game design ideas such as riding bicycles and eating food, pick up prostitutes, have sexual intercourse with said prostitutes, kill said prostitutes, experience buggy gameplay like getting stuck in walls or cars as they explode, and last but not least SWIM..thats right folks these games will now even let you swim believe it or not!
lol good point.
No, it's not. That's just the Grand Theft Auto games, which doesn't come built right into your X-Box and PS2 ya know.

the Gamecube. Why? Because first of all you are low on money. The system can cost you as low as $60.

I'm going to say what Steath already has. Maybe the console it's self is much cheaper, but I have spent much more on my Gamecube than any other console. Why? Memorycards, I have like 5 of them and still run low all the time. The controllers break ALL the time, I'm on my 6th I think. My X-Box... well just my X-Box, and the extra controllers of course. Honestly, including my year at XBL, they are about the same price.


Oh and Stelth, I'm very, very impressed by your post.
 
LinkTriforceGC said:
Why? Memorycards, I have like 5 of them and still run low all the time. The controllers break ALL the time, I'm on my 6th I think.

Ive had my cube since 2002 and my controller is still good as new. Just an assumption here but I dont think that he will buy enough games to fill 5 memory cards, he might need two at the very least. mega also said that he isnt interested in multiplayer so again I'm assuming that he wasnt going to get XBL anyways.
 
if you are thinking of picking up where you left off then ps2 is the system for you. it has a good selection of fun games. and the price is pretty good. for all it has its a overall good starting system and offers fun for all
 
LinkTriforceGC said:
I'm going to say what Steath already has. Maybe the console it's self is much cheaper, but I have spent much more on my Gamecube than any other console. Why? Memorycards, I have like 5 of them and still run low all the time. The controllers break ALL the time, I'm on my 6th I think.

Either you play sports games or you just have a lot of GC games period. Most games only take 3 or 4 blocks of memory. If you spend $30 to get the 1019 block memory card (which is equivalent to four of the $20 251 cards)  you can fit a LOT of games. I mean, if you've seen my collection...I have almost 40 GC games and I still have room left on my 1019 memory card.

Technically you could buy a Gamecube, a 1019 memory card, and a $20 game and it would be the same amount as if you only bought an XBOX.

Gamecube = $100 (new)
MC 1019 = $30
$20 game = $20
Total  = $150

XBOX = $150

Obviously, since the XBOX has a hard drive, you don't have to buy memory cards. But to even get one $20 game, you're already spending more than you would for the GC.

I'm not really sure where any of you are getting the idea that a Gamecube is somehow more expensive than an XBOX. Are you doing the same math that I am? You say controllers will add to the expense. Well. NEWSFLASH! You'd have to buy extra XBOX controllers too.  ::)

So in all reality, here's what you're looking at. We'll assume both systems are new.

Gamecube = $100
MC 1019 = $30 (if you get it from Wal-Mart)
$20 game = $20
3 extra controllers @ $20 each (Nintendo GC controller) = $60
Total = $210

XBOX = $150
$20 game = $20
3 extra controllers @ $20 each (Madcatz Controller...if you want the Microsoft XBOX controllers, those are $30 each and will add to the price) = $60
Total = $230

And as for the controllers...no offense, but what the hell do you do to them that makes them break so easily? I play my systems a lot but the only time ANY of my controllers ever broke is when I got mad and threw my Wavebird, and of course it broke (because I threw it). My freakin' NES controllers still work.
 
not to get off topic but, I love sports games but I hate how much memory they use. Madden 05 needs a whole memory card pretty much just to play a season or two.
 
I'd like the names, addresses, genders, and average age of these sources, to prove that they exist. Ok, that's not necessary, but that statement is completely irrelevant. If you want a way to gauge how many people are playing GC multiplayer games and Xbox multiplayer games, take a look at the member lists for NextBC(although I think their name has changed, have to get back to you guys on that) and the Warp Pipe. These are both services that provide free online play for online/LAN enabled games. Average users on NextBC varies from 500-5000, depending on the time you're playing. Average users on the Warp Pipe... well, I couldn't tell you, every time I tried to play someone over it, no one else was on. Kind of pathetic, really. Now, is this a completely inaccurate way of gauging who's playing what multiplayer games on which console? Of course, but it's a lot more accurate and unbiased than "I know a lot of people who agree with me", and you don't just have to take my word for it. Check if for yourself.

Ok, my point was that the Xbox isn't the only way to go for multiplayer games, and I felt it was important to let Mega know that. I then added my opinion on which is best for multiplayer, and stated that many agree that the Gamecube and PS2 are better in that department. I didn't say which console was played online the most out of the Xbox and the Gamecube, as it's obviously Xbox. The Gamecube has virtually no focus on online play what-so-ever.

You're statement of being able to name 15 "great" exclusive titles for the GC is just as "biast" as what I said about Marios and Zeldas. Except mine is based on observation. Don't take my word for it, MegaDrive himself said that one of his reasons for buying a GC was for Zelda. I bought my GC for Zelda. A lot of people here probably did as well. It's not a dig at Nintendo, its the plain truth.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong there. Me stating that there are at least 15 great exclusive titles for the Gamecube is true. Your "observation" that the Gamecube just has your Marios and Zeldas is just closed-minded nonsense. And for the people who are dissapointed in the Gamecube because they bought it for Zelda and nothing else - they have no sympathy from me. They should either try other games (I can't see what else, besides Zelda, isn't to be enjoyed) or shouldn't of got the console in the first place. You just aren't a gamer if you aren't going to explore with more than just the one game. There is far more available than Marios and Zeldas, just like the Xbox has far more available than Halo. Your original statement was that there's not much else for the Gamecube, and I was simply making it clear how inaccurate that was.

Anyway, to summarise this post, you'll notice that I left out quite a few of your points. That's because i'm pretty much done here. The rest is just a clash of opinion. I admit, I assumed that you were trying to state facts when you were giving your opinion to Mega, so i'm sorry if I seemed a bit jumpy.

EDIT: I've just read more of this, and on the issue of Gamecube controllers - I have to agree with Mai. I've never had any kinds of problems with any of my controllers, and this is coming from a guy who's lost count of how many times he's thrown them due to frustration in Mario Kart: Double Dash and Super Monkey Ball sessions. I fail to understand this theory just as I fail to understand the theory that PS2s break all the time.
 
Retro Hero said:
I'm sorry, but you're wrong there. Me stating that there are at least 15 great exclusive titles for the Gamecube is true. Your "observation" that the Gamecube just has your Marios and Zeldas is just closed-minded nonsense. And for the people who are dissapointed in the Gamecube because they bought it for Zelda and nothing else - they have no sympathy from me. They should either try other games (I can't see what else, besides Zelda, isn't to be enjoyed) or shouldn't of got the console in the first place. You just aren't a gamer if you aren't going to explore with more than just the one game. There is far more available than Marios and Zeldas, just like the Xbox has far more available than Halo. Your original statement was that there's not much else for the Gamecube, and I was simply making it clear how inaccurate that was.

Ditto.

It really is an over-generalization to say that the only good exclusive games on the GC are made by Nintendo. Look at Resident Evil 4 and Tales of Symphonia. Easily two of my favorite GC games and both of them are by third parties. Of course, ToS is also on the PS2 in Japan, and RE4 will be on the PS2 at the end of 2005. But in the US, the Gamecube is the only system to get those two games on right now.

I could go around and say that the only good exclusive on the XBOX is Halo 1 & 2 and XBOTs would defend the XBOX to the death and say that I haven't played enough XBOX games if that's what I think, that there's more than just Halo on the XBOX.

And the same is true for GC. If someone can say that the GC doesn't have enough good games, they just haven't been playing the right ones.

Seriously, like 9 times out of 10, when someone trades in the GC, they also trade in their collection of POS games like Trigger Man, 4X4 Evo, Bad Boys Miami Takedown, Fairly Odd Parents, Reign of Fire, etc. And I want to say to them, "Wow, your games really suck. No wonder you don't like the GC." If you're going to get a Gamecube, get games that are actually good!
 
The comments I keep seeing about controllers breaking..wtf are you doing with these controllers?

I own, or have owned PS2, Xbox, GC, Saturn, Dreamcast, Sega CD/Genesis, Turbo Graffix 16, SNES, NES, 3DO, CD-I, Neo-Geo AES, Neo-Geo MVS, Neo-Geo CD, N64, Jaguar, Atari 2600/7800, PS1.....

And I have never..in the 20 years I have been gaming, broken a controller. And I play on average 48 hours a week on my consoles.

So again..just wtf are you guys doing to these controllers? I'm just curious here....seriously.
 
And as for the controllers...no offense, but what the hell do you do to them that makes them break so easily?
I know I know. It seems me and my friends are the only ones that have this. It's not really that they break, but all of my joysticks become way to loose. The only thing I can think of is that I play A LOT. I'm talking 6 or 7 hours a day of games for me, not kidding.
 
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