I Hate Nintendo

Neph, you're paranoid. I know for a fact that Ackula likes PS2 games, and although I like to play the GTA games, he did bring up some good points on how they just rehash everything. You should be agreeing because that's something that you yourself are against.

What teenage male doesn't want to live life on the edge, break the law, make some money, and be an all around bad@$$. I'd rather pretend to be that character in a videogame then some cartoonish 12 year old boy who I thought was a girl for the first 6 hours of the game.

It's this kind of thinking that's exactly what's wrong with the majority of gamers. They don't open up their minds enough to realise that you CAN (and do) have games that don't involve breaking the law, that are among some of the best games out there to play. This is why I love Nintendo, they make games that are extremely fun, without being tasteless and trying to lure people into buying them with sex and violence.
 
Nephlabobo said:
Another game criticised merely because it's on PS2

You have no reading comprehension skills if thats what you got from my post.

The game is crap on Xbox as well as PC...no matter what console its on Its one of the worst games of all time. As a matter of a fact I fail to see how it makes any difference what console its on...

And just for the record I'm not an Xbox, or Nintendo..or Sega fanboy so you can just mark that off your list of things to call me or accuse me of Neph. I happen to like the PS2 a great deal more than GC, and especially more than Xbox.

The only system I am a diehard fan of is Neo-Geo.
 
Nephlabobo said:
Right - flame and insult. That gets your point across. ::)

Thats not an insult..its a fact.

If you can read a post about why I think popular games are popular, and about the problems GTA SA faces...and decide that the post is criticizing it only because its on PS2..even though the fact its on PS2 was never mentioned....well then..you have some sort of reading problem, and are not very bright.

I'm not used to what you guys call "flaming" anyway..all other forums I have ever been involved in didn't have such strict rules..so if I was in the wrong there I apalogize to the other mods and admin.

But the fact remains that you have some serious problem with comprehending posts if you can somehow think that a post dealing with GTA SA's buggy gameplay, and lack of fresh innovative ideas is somehow criticizing it for being a PS2 game.
 
Nephlabobo said:
It's a fact that I'm an idiot?

Your childish little rants on this board are making you a laughing stock, you pathetic little troll.

Well look at that. It's the pot calling the kettle black. ::)

Really, how exactly did you come up with the notion that he was criticizing the PS2? If anything he was criticizing Rockstar for consistently making crappy games that sell well because they're based on popular culture.

Rockstars games have always been subpar pieces of crap, and thanks to people who love their violent pop-culture they will keep churning out crap like this and making millions.

The game is crap on Xbox as well as PC...no matter what console its on Its one of the worst games of all time. As a matter of a fact I fail to see how it makes any difference what console its on...

But the fact remains that you have some serious problem with comprehending posts if you can somehow think that a post dealing with GTA SA's buggy gameplay, and lack of fresh innovative ideas is somehow criticizing it for being a PS2 game.
 
Nephlabobo said:
It's a fact that I'm an idiot?

Your childish little rants on this board are making you a laughing stock, you pathetic little troll.

I'm not falling for your little ploy to turn this thread into chaos, just stop while your ahead.
Go and play some GTA since you love it so much, maybe you'll feel better.
 
Nephlabobo said:
Saying you don't like them is one thing - but worst game of all time?  ::)

Another game criticised merely because it's on PS2
sorry neph... Dr.ackula is by no means a Nintendo fan... he may like it... but he has all systems alike.

you don't know what your talking about.

And the flames... you are invoking them upon yourself....

Some people do not like the GTA series.... they are not the best games out there and I also fail to see why people love them so much.

and its not a point of being on a Sony system either..... GTA started out on the PC... GTA 1 and 2. The only reason it became big was because of GTA 3...etc.
GTA is also on the GBA, Xbox, and PS..... So the game is on more than 1 system.

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Whew, this is gonna be long, I'll start at the top...


You ask why the thug image is so sought after..I have no idea at all

Read my post. I answer it right after I asked it. It's a desirable image, to be a tough guy. Its there, go back and check if you don't believe me, and watch your own reading comprehension before you mock someone else's.

Asking me that question is about the same as asking me why people like rap music.

Just because you can't connect with a style of music doesn't mean there's no place for it. In fact, a lot of people do connect with it, possibly because thier lives have been marked with poverty, or violence, or a broken home, which are common themes in rap songs. A lot of rap songs try to speak to teenagers growing up in Urban areas, or people that have grown up in urban areas, and that's a lot of people. Personally, I don't like rap, but I understand and appreciate why it is so popular.

very small additions that would be an add-on pack for Vice City at best if it were a PC game only. Stop lying to yourself...theres nothing new here thats not been done before in the series except parachutes, bicycles, and stat improvement.

I don't believe the city of San Andreas existed before, or am I just lying to myself again? Seriously man, the differences between Vice City and San Andreas are quite numerous and noticeable. From the AI to improved aiming to different vehicles, there's a lot more offered in San Andreas.

If you really feel like GTA has a good graphics engine, man I feel sorry for ya..it was dated and terrible back in GTA 3

I myself stated that the graphics were below average, but that the style was fitting and it did the job well enough for players to enjoy the rest of the game. Reading comprehension is key...

Saying you don't like them is one thing - but worst game of all time?

Neph's not paranoid, he's not trying to "start" something, or create chaos, and he is most definitely not wrong. No one contested the very first thing he said because everyone knew he was right. Although you may not approve of the subject matter of GTA, you still have to give some credit where credit is due. This game nearly single-handedly won the console race for the PS2. It's one of the best selling games of ALL TIME, it's obviously not the worst.

It's this kind of thinking that's exactly what's wrong with the majority of gamers. They don't open up their minds enough to realise that you CAN (and do) have games that don't involve breaking the law, that are among some of the best games out there to play. This is why I love Nintendo, they make games that are extremely fun, without being tasteless and trying to lure people into buying them with sex and violence.

If the majority of gamers want games that include sex and violence (though I don't think sex really helps sales at all, BMX XXX anyone?) then technically wouldn't the minority be wrong? If person A, doesn't like the same games as person B, who doesn't like the same games as person C, then if you can find a game that they all like, wouldn't that game technically be the best one? As in, the game that is accepted most widely as "good" is therefore good? Doesn't that make a lot more sense than saying the majority of gamers are wrong in what they find fun?


It's not about keeping an open mind or littering a game with tasteless violence, its about having fun. I have more fun playing games like GTA and The Getaway than playing games like TOS. And guess what, the majority of gamers would agree with me, validating my opinion. I don't like "mature" games because the media told me I should, because my buddies do, or because I think I'll be more mature if I play them. I like them because they let me do things I could never do in real life, they let me play the role of someone I want to, but never will be, in real life, and they tell a story. Pretending to be a plumber who jumps good and listening to the story of how he saved a princess from an evil dinosaur just doesn't cut it for me anymore.
 
Read my post. I answer it right after I asked it. It's a desirable image, to be a tough guy. Its there, go back and check if you don't believe me, and watch your own reading comprehension before you mock someone else's.

I did read it and comprehend it. I do not find "tough guy" a desirable image if being a tough guy means gang wars, robbing liqour stores and banks, assasinating city officials, breaking and entering, and stealing. I don't think those attributes are what makes a "tough guy". Last time I checked those attributes would make you a criminal. And as I stated before I do not find that to be a desirable thing to be.

Just because you can't connect with a style of music doesn't mean there's no place for it. In fact, a lot of people do connect with it, possibly because thier lives have been marked with poverty, or violence, or a broken home, which are common themes in rap songs. A lot of rap songs try to speak to teenagers growing up in Urban areas, or people that have grown up in urban areas, and that's a lot of people. Personally, I don't like rap, but I understand and appreciate why it is so popular.

Your right about rap music though, I cannot connect with it because I did not grow up in a dangerous drug filled enviroment where its cool to be a criminal, drug user/dealer, and disrespect women and other races. So yeah, you made a good point there...I cannot relate to those things at all..sorry.

Neph's not paranoid, he's not trying to "start" something, or create chaos, and he is most definitely not wrong. No one contested the very first thing he said because everyone knew he was right. Although you may not approve of the subject matter of GTA, you still have to give some credit where credit is due. This game nearly single-handedly won the console race for the PS2. It's one of the best selling games of ALL TIME, it's obviously not the worst.

And what Neph said that was completely unfounded was that I was criticizing the game because it was a PS2 game..which I clearly was not.

the majority of gamers want games that include sex and violence

And your right again my friend..the majority wants sex and violence, thats the kind of screwed up world we live in this day and age, people want it so much that the best selling game is a game that lets you become a criminal, womanizer, sacriligious, drug using, prostitute buying, urban nightmare. Your so right about that in fact that its scary...for all the crap I talk about Nintendo..hell maybe we'd be better off with nothing but 20 more years of kiddie games from them...thats got to be better for our psyche's than violence, sex, drugs, and misogony.
 
I love rap. 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Ludacris, Kanye West, Dre, and Missy Elliot are some of my favorites.

But even with that, I can't get into any of the crime games. Mafia, True Crime, the Getaway, GTA, etc. I did own GTA3 for a while but I just didn't enjoy it.

That kind of game...is just not appealing to me. I would rather live out some less realistic fantasy, like being a space marine, or a special agent killing zombies, or a sword-wielding horse-riding elf. These are all things that I could never be at all. A criminal on the other hand...people can become criminals.
 
I hate rap....

I have my fair share of violent games... in fact, I'd say violent games are the core of my gaming collection..ect...
I own more than 50 FPS games.
I have MANY strategy games that involve war.

But I fail to see how GTA and those games are fun.

and @ Stealth..... you know, when I was 10-13.... I was playing mortal kombat for the snes.... I was mad they didn't have blood.
I was thrilled with MK2 had blood.... I wrote Nintendo a lot asking them to put blood back in the games. I always wanted to play games with more mature themes.... and trust me, I played whatever I could get my hands on.

When I was 16-17 (I think) I bought postal. The game changed my opinion on games forever.
You shot and killed innocent people... house to house. Most at first weren't even armed. You shot women and men a like. I have to say I hated the game and actually felt a little bad for playing it. Ever since then.... my opinion on mindless killing games have changed significantly.

I am passed that whole "its gotta have blood" scenario because I found that most games are fun without it.
Crap... look at Bomberman.... that is one of the most fun and addictive games of all time.


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GTA is fun, but it's not really the violence that makes it so fun. You could get rid of the blood and tone down a fair amount of the violence and it could be still be a crazy ammount of fun. It's not just about the violence.

Anyway, i'll give my reply on all of this when I can be bothered to read it all, lol.
 
Sounds like more of the same stuff I argued already, so I'll make this as brief as possible.

Your right about rap music though, I cannot connect with it because I did not grow up in a dangerous drug filled enviroment where its cool to be a criminal, drug user/dealer, and disrespect women and other races. So yeah, you made a good point there...I cannot relate to those things at all..sorry.

That's a very stereotypical and uneducated response, rap is not about that. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to appreciate what the music is about instead of trying to relate to it. Understand that there are many people out there who do relate to it. People thought I deserved the "open your mind" speal...

I do not find "tough guy" a desirable image if being a tough guy means gang wars, robbing liqour stores and banks, assasinating city officials, breaking and entering, and stealing.

I never said I actually wanted to be this in real life, and I doubt a lot of people do. But that's why GTA is so much fun, because you can be that without facing any consequences.

And what Neph said that was completely unfounded was that I was criticizing the game because it was a PS2 game..which I clearly was not.

And still you ignore his first point...

And your right again my friend..the majority wants sex and violence, thats the kind of screwed up world we live in this day and age, people want it so much that the best selling game is a game that lets you become a criminal, womanizer, sacriligious, drug using, prostitute buying, urban nightmare. Your so right about that in fact that its scary...for all the crap I talk about Nintendo..hell maybe we'd be better off with nothing but 20 more years of kiddie games from them...thats got to be better for our psyche's than violence, sex, drugs, and misogony.

You completely misquoted me by taking a sentence fragment way out of context. You're entire response is therefore completely void. But, just because I can't resist, sex and violence "plagued" our society long before videogames came along, at least games like GTA give some kind of non-consequential release for it.

But even with that, I can't get into any of the crime games. Mafia, True Crime, the Getaway, GTA, etc. I did own GTA3 for a while but I just didn't enjoy it.

Well, some people do enjoy the actual music too...

That kind of game...is just not appealing to me. I would rather live out some less realistic fantasy, like being a space marine, or a special agent killing zombies, or a sword-wielding horse-riding elf. These are all things that I could never be at all. A criminal on the other hand...people can become criminals.

But people also have to answer for their crimes, well, most of the time anyway. I don't ever want to be a criminal in real life, but it sure was fun to pretend to be one in GTA 3 for awhile.

When I was 16-17 (I think) I bought postal. The game changed my opinion on games forever.
You shot and killed innocent people... house to house. Most at first weren't even armed. You shot women and men a like. I have to say I hated the game and actually felt a little bad for playing it.

You really shouldn't play a game like Postal if you have a certain empathy for lines of code. Videogames in general should be played with a certain lack of emotion. I mean, did you feel sad when you "died" in Super Mario Bros. and left Peach to her untimely demise? Of course not, because you knew it was a videogame and no actual consequences would result from it. Admittedly Postal was a little over the edge, but it's the same relative idea.

I find it more fun to charge into battle with an army of soldiers than an army of flowers. What's so bad about that?
 
That's a very stereotypical and uneducated response, rap is not about that. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to appreciate what the music is about instead of trying to relate to it. Understand that there are many people out there who do relate to it. People thought I deserved the "open your mind" speal...

This is the only thing I want to reply to right now...you accuse me of being uneducated and that this is a stereotypical response...well I hate to burst your bubble but this is what 95% of rap is all about. I know this as a fact because I work for Universal Records..part of my job involves having to listen to the crap. As a result I have had to listen to many rap CDs at work..and I pay close attention to what they are saying, and all the things I said are true at least 95% of the time.

The vast majority of the artists signed top our label are rappers or hip hop..whatever you want to call it..and I was not being uneducated or stereotypical..I am speaking from actual experience. The most commen themes I have found in rap songs involve drugs, stealing, killing, using women, beating women, and gangs.
 
stealth toilet said:
You really shouldn't play a game like Postal if you have a certain empathy for lines of code. Videogames in general should be played with a certain lack of emotion. I mean, did you feel sad when you "died" in Super Mario Bros. and left Peach to her untimely demise? Of course not, because you knew it was a videogame and no actual consequences would result from it. Admittedly Postal was a little over the edge, but it's the same relative idea.

I find it more fun to charge into battle with an army of soldiers than an army of flowers. What's so bad about that?
sorry man.. there are certain bounds video games shouldn't cross and postal did that.
Its not fun shooting innocent women and people.

Do you get excited playing video games? well... you shouldn't... it should be emotionless, right? :p



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I meant emphatically, as in emotions of remorse, or regret, or sympathy, etc.

In response to Dr. Ackula, I do agree that those themes are becoming more popular. I was speaking more from the older days of actual rap. But I've found that even in songs that objectify women or talk about stealing or things like that, there's still an underlying good message, its just sometimes hard to find.

On a sidenote that's pretty cool that you work at Universal Records. What is your actual job there?
 
stealth toilet said:
I meant emphatically, as in emotions of remorse, or regret, or sympathy, etc.

ah.. but what you said and meant are different :p

so, I never want to see you get excited, or happy over a game :lol

because... they are all emotions. :D

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stealth toilet said:
On a sidenote that's pretty cool that you work at Universal Records. What is your actual job there?

I work in pre-production. The pictures and artwork printed onto the CDs are done through a screen printing process. I deal with the mesh and exposing the film onto the mesh for the printing process to be done. Its pretty good job, but can be boring at times. I do however have access to our entire library of CD's for film purposes..which allows me the luxury to listen to any I want to ..If I want to do so.
 
Dr_Ackula said:
I work in pre-production. The pictures and artwork printed onto the CDs are done through a screen printing process. I deal with the mesh and exposing the film onto the mesh for the printing process to be done. Its pretty good job, but can be boring at times. I do however have access to our entire library of CD's for film purposes..which allows me the luxury to listen to any I want to ..If I want to do so.
not to derail the topic here... but.... do you get a lot of "off the wall" cds?



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Bluevoodu said:
not to derail the topic here... but.... do you get a lot of "off the wall" cds?



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Not sure what you mean..? Is that the name of a band or do you mean something else?
 
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