Nintendo Megaton thread - Discussion for JPN/USA/Euro press conferences. - 1AM

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creepindeth said:
First of all, don't start. Something serious just happened recently and stuff like this is not being taken lightly regardless of who you're talking about. I refer to you to this topic.

http://www.egameaddiction.com/forums/index.php?topic=5406.0

Were things deleted that I never saw? I never quite caught the "seriousness" of the whole thing.
 
Same here... it's not that we all know each other personally and see each other everyday, that would be BAD! Things like that actually make forums interesting to a certain extent...  :-\

but anyways - does anyone else find it weird that we are getting the system before Japan? Isn't it always the other way around?
 
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Sartori said:
Were things deleted that I never saw? I never quite caught the "seriousness" of the whole thing.

Then I don't know what to tell you if you couldn't see the seriousness of the whole situation. You may not know all the details but it wasn't hard to see. Nothing was deleted. So all I can say is just follow the rules and you'll be fine.



Ok just continue with the topic please. Im personally excited about the Wii, especially since I just got my hands on it today! Can't reveal more details than that but I need to get pre-order in as soon as possible.
 
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creepindeth said:
Then I don't know what to tell you if you couldn't see the seriousness of the whole situation. You may not know all the details but it wasn't hard to see. Nothing was deleted. So all I can say is just follow the rules and you'll be fine.

If nothing was deleted, then I fail to see what you were becoming so riled about. I can understand some mild irritation, but to the length at which you took your response? I didn't mean to negatize your.. activity.. I was just persuing a bit of knowledge, after failing to comprehend the reasoning behind this "serious" situation.

Moving on....

Auron - USA got DS first as well. It happens from time to time. Japan is 100% shoe in for Nintendo, 100%.
 
Its kinda hard to believe that their native country wouldnt get it first though

i have another question - does the gaming industry make more money from japan or USA? i'd think it would be us but im not so sure...
 
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Auron234 said:
Its kinda hard to believe that their native country wouldnt get it first though

i have another question - does the gaming industry make more money from japan or USA? i'd think it would be us but im not so sure...

Depends on which company you're talking about. But potentially all regions (Nintendo) or .. none (Microsoft). ;-)
 
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Auron234 said:
Im talking every company ever invented... which country has the highest sales

Depends on the game or genre, man. It's not black and white. :)
 
I think the American market is smaller than the Japanese one, but it is for sure the fastest growing(or at least the faster growing, not too sure about Europe) one. The Japanese market has been declining in recent years, thus Nintendo's attempt to "revolutionise" it with the Wii. I'd say go where the money is, which for the fickle moment seems to be America, but there is a reason I'm not part of a marketing dept. for a videogame company, and it's not because I'm always right about these things.

I just skimmed the report posted here, so maybe someone can clarify Nintendo's plan for "selling" NES/SNES/64 games. It seems to me the whle library of games is not available to download right off the hop, but rather new games are added monthly or something? Is that correct? Because to me that makes no sense at all, so I'm assuming I have misinterpreted exactly how it works.

Edit: This made me laugh.

The people it's targeting don't know, don't care, and will buy.

It's nice to know Nintendo respects and values its own fanbase instead of viewing them as walking ATMs. ::)

Three cheers for Nintendo and their ability to exploit the consumer. :lol
 
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stealth toilet said:
I think the American market is smaller than the Japanese one, but it is for sure the fastest growing(or at least the faster growing, not too sure about Europe) one. The Japanese market has been declining in recent years, thus Nintendo's attempt to "revolutionise" it with the Wii. I'd say go where the money is, which for the fickle moment seems to be America, but there is a reason I'm not part of a marketing dept. for a videogame company, and it's not because I'm always right about these things.

Since the advent of the DS, there has been a resurgance of Japance gamers. The industry is no longer shrinking in Japan, if I recall correctly. USA is a growing market, yes, but studies suggest it is not far off from entering the same predicament as Japan had been in - a stagnating industry.

I just skimmed the report posted here, so maybe someone can clarify Nintendo's plan for "selling" NES/SNES/64 games. It seems to me the whle library of games is not available to download right off the hop, but rather new games are added monthly or something? Is that correct? Because to me that makes no sense at all, so I'm assuming I have misinterpreted exactly how it works.

Why doesn't it make sense?

Anyway, Nintendo promised 30 Nintendo titles before the end of calender 2006. Plus, 30 from Hudson, as well as 7 from SEGA. That's nearly 70 games on the VC - that's not bad to start with. It's certainly better than XBLA's offering, though it does not yet match all the offered features of XBLA. It has the potential for much more. Enticing. They will add - at minimum - 10 new VC games per month. This is just Nintendo alone. Hudson may add X, SEGA may add X, Square Enix may add X, etc. You will be looking at, more realistically, about 20-30 games added to the VC every month. That's a substantial amount. Substantial.

Plus, there's always the opportunity here for Nintendo to release titles fans have been clamoring for forever - like Star Fox 2. Enticing again.

Edit: This made me laugh.

It's nice to know Nintendo respects and values its own fanbase instead of viewing them as walking ATMs. ::)

Three cheers for Nintendo and their ability to exploit the consumer. :lol

You misunderstood my statement and clearly you understand that. I meant Joe Consumer. Once again, read the whole thread! It has more data than you can extract from a single sentence. :-)

Seriously though, that's a fair price to most people. It is. Bob Gamer will think it's a super bargain to pay 8 dollars to be able to relive his classic memories of playing Super Mario World or TMNT IV on the new console, since he probably hasn't played them in over a decade. Personally? Mario World and TMNT IV are worth far more than 8 dollars to me.
 
USA is a growing market, yes, but studies suggest it is not far off from entering the same predicament as Japan had been in - a stagnating industry.

Studies are not proof, no one knows what's going to happen. Current observable trends indicate an expanding market for years to come, though the growth is of course exponentially decreasing, and new console generations always through a curveball into the trends. There is always the risk of stagnating in any industry, but the bottom line is that no one knows what's going to happen. Go where the money is at the time, and abandon ship before it sinks.

Why doesn't it make sense?

The games already exist, why wouldn't the whole library of NES games be available right off the hop? It's not as though these games need to be developed, they just need to be distributed. And when anything is distributed digitally there is no middleman nor limit beyond the size of one's bandwidth and thus no physical reason for providing less product for sale than what is available.

You will be looking at, more realistically, about 20-30 games added to the VC every month. That's a substantial amount. Substantial.

Sub-standard. The majority should be available right off the hop. How many years will it be before I can download River City Ransom on my Wii? Sorry, but the waiting game sucks, so in the meantime I'm gonna play hungry-hungry hippos.

Seriously though, that's a fair price to most people. It is. Bob Gamer will think it's a super bargain to pay 8 dollars to be able to relive his classic memories of playing Super Mario World or TMNT IV on the new console, since he probably hasn't played them in over a decade. Personally? Mario World and TMNT IV are worth far more than 8 dollars to me.

So Nintendo preys on the ignorance of their fanbase, an ethically reprehensible business practice. You'll forgive me if I don't applaud their greed.
 
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stealth toilet said:
Studies are not proof, no one knows what's going to happen. Current observable trends indicate an expanding market for years to come, though the growth is of course exponentially decreasing, and new console generations always through a curveball into the trends. There is always the risk of stagnating in any industry, but the bottom line is that no one knows what's going to happen. Go where the money is at the time, and abandon ship before it sinks.

No shit. That's why I said "studies suggest". You act as though I said "studies state for certain the future will be like it was in X:Men Age of Apocalypse" or some other ridiculous statement...

Sure, the North American market shows the best growth right now (again, I think you're right on that, but not sure about Europe?), but interest in Japan has been revitalized thanks to the DS. This is fact. ;-) Welcome to it.

The games already exist, why wouldn't the whole library of NES games be available right off the hop? It's not as though these games need to be developed, they just need to be distributed. And when anything is distributed digitally there is no middleman nor limit beyond the size of one's bandwidth and thus no physical reason for providing less product for sale than what is available.

Why over saturate? It'll come.

Sub-standard. The majority should be available right off the hop. How many years will it be before I can download River City Ransom on my Wii? Sorry, but the waiting game sucks, so in the meantime I'm gonna play hungry-hungry hippos.

So Nintendo preys on the ignorance of their fanbase, an ethically reprehensible business practice. You'll forgive me if I don't applaud their greed.

Holy shit. Again, I can't believe you're talking about greed from Nintendo. Who's charging 50 USD for a last gen controller? Seriously, this has degraded to just whine more.
 
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stealth toilet said:
The games already exist, why wouldn't the whole library of NES games be available right off the hop? It's not as though these games need to be developed, they just need to be distributed. And when anything is distributed digitally there is no middleman nor limit beyond the size of one's bandwidth and thus no physical reason for providing less product for sale than what is available.

Just a thought here...

How much effort, man-hours, what-have-you, does it take to put an old NES game onto a server of some sort, set up a pay-per-download system for that particular game, set up some descriptions and/or screenshots.

Probably not that long, but if your talking about hundreds of games at a time, I'd guess longer than you'd think. Nevermind Nintendo would have to get the various other companies on board too, right?

Also...how many people are working on this one area of the Wii? I doubt they have dozens or hundreds working on getting games loaded up for the virtual console.
 
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FOUR. HUNDRED. DOLLARS. AUD.

If you excuse me, I'll smash my head against the nearest wall now.

I'll still get it, however.
 
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stealth toilet said:
The games already exist, why wouldn't the whole library of NES games be available right off the hop? It's not as though these games need to be developed, they just need to be distributed. And when anything is distributed digitally there is no middleman nor limit beyond the size of one's bandwidth and thus no physical reason for providing less product for sale than what is available.

I agree but I believe one of the main reasons is because of licensing issues. Most games do not belong to Nintendo and those are the ones Im sure are not going to be up for immediate download. Otherwise there should be no excuse.

So Nintendo preys on the ignorance of their fanbase, an ethically reprehensible business practice. You'll forgive me if I don't applaud their greed.

I wouldn't necessarily say they prey. There is a market for this which has been demonstrated by Xbox Live Arcade. People will pay for convenience.
 
No crap. That's why I said "studies suggest". You act as though I said "studies state for certain the future will be like it was in X:Men Age of Apocalypse" or some other ridiculous statement...

I was simply pointing out that merely referring to studies is not proof of anything and thus could not be used to refute the statements I made, nor could it be used to justify Nintendo's position of trying to rejuvenate the Japanese market instead of cashing in on the American one. If you already knew that I don't know why you brought it up in the first place.

Why over saturate? It'll come.

Allow me to quote myself, "the waiting game sucks." What you call "over saturation" I call giving the customer what they want.

Holy crap. Again, I can't believe you're talking about greed from Nintendo. Who's charging 50 USD for a last gen controller? Seriously, this has degraded to just whine more

I think this sums up my position best:

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I'm not saying Nintendo is worse for exploiting customers than rival companies (although personal experience has indeed led me to believe that), but I would go as far as to say that they are just as bad as rival comapnies.

I apologize for my curtness, I must be off if I am to catch the bus, hence the hurried reply. However, I will be back later to respond more fully (and even more positively), so don't retort what I've said thus far without letting me finish. Many thanks.

Edit:

Actually, I had more to say before, but now it seems rather unnecessary to mention. So I shall make this brief.

Sure, the North American market shows the best growth right now (again, I think you're right on that, but not sure about Europe?), but interest in Japan has been revitalized thanks to the DS. This is fact. ;-) Welcome to it.

Yes, I have seen evidence of the fact that DS's are selling like hot cakes in Japan. Tasty, luscious, hot cakes. And while I haven't seen any hard stats for europe, I don't think they crave the digital delights as much as we do.

Just a thought here...

How much effort, man-hours, what-have-you, does it take to put an old NES game onto a server of some sort, set up a pay-per-download system for that particular game, set up some descriptions and/or screenshots.

Probably not that long, but if your talking about hundreds of games at a time, I'd guess longer than you'd think. Nevermind Nintendo would have to get the various other companies on board too, right?

Also...how many people are working on this one area of the Wii? I doubt they have dozens or hundreds working on getting games loaded up for the virtual console.

While I am not privy to the details of how exactly this virtual console is going to actually work, I can say that it is a higher priority project for Nintendo, and the talent and manpower certainly exist for them to have a much larger quantity of games available off the hop. I assume it's simply a marketing thing. Holding back key titles for when few big name titles are being released is just one example of how releasing only 30 games a month could work to their advantage. It's just a business strategy, one that keeps me from playing the games I want to play. Or would, if I couldn't just buy them from our good friend BV here.  ;)

I wouldn't necessarily say they prey. There is a market for this which has been demonstrated by Xbox Live Arcade. People will pay for convenience

Microsoft is guilty of the same crime. In fact, I can barely think of a crime that Microsoft is not guilty of.

My point is simply that Nintendo's virtual console could be something incredible, but thanks to some key decisions made by the big wigs at Nintendo it is the consumer who once again suffers. I really had high hopes for the virtual console, and Nintendo's latest offering of details for how it would work have been really discouraging. Am I the only person here who is dissapointed by a $5 price tag for games that are two decades old?
 
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Done.
 
So Nintendo preys on the ignorance of their fanbase, an ethically reprehensible business practice. You'll forgive me if I don't applaud their greed.

I'm gonna throw a guess in the wind and say you don't seem to fully read what Satori is saying here.

The average joe does NOT know about emulators. At all. Not one bit. Neither does he know about ROMs. This may seem like a rip-off to you, but to average joe, it's a dream come true to relive the classics.

Not only that, but even some hardcore gamers refuse to use emulation, either due to controller purposes (keyboard isn't the best for playing Star Ocean, let me tell you), or because they don't like the illegality of it. Then there are people who pirate everything but the hardware for their computer.

It's just that simple. The average person who buys an old Dell desktop and wonders why it can't run Oblivion, does not likely know of emulation.

Besides, it's extra cash for copy and pasting for Ninty.
 
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