Why does everyone rip on Scientology?

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Strubes said:
He got the point. He's not saying why people rip on Scientology, but rip on different religions in general. Tom Cruise believes in Scientology and is now crazy. Do you believe in Scientology fhq? It's a cult, but if you do, good luck getting out.
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Of course I don't, I'm like...nothing.
 
Homicidal Cherry53 said:
fhq is right, in that we would have evolved differently (although, I think 1 degree changing things is a bit of a stretch, as those changes actually have happened before. In fact, about a degree change in the earth's tilt caused the Sahara to become a desert, and lead to people migrating into the Nile Valley, and starting the Egyptian civilization...don't ask me where the hell I just got that one from :lol)

I fail to see your point though. The fact that the earth got hit, ended up tilted at a certain degree on its axis, and life forms evolved, according to the environment created by this doesn't seem coincidentally in the slightest, to me.
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This is all provided you believe in evolution and I do not. I believe in adaptation, but not evolution. I would think you would have picked up on that from my earlier posts. ;)

As for the Sahara. That's the result of global warming, a natural cycle of the Earth. Are you talking about precession? Also, ask most any astronomer and they would agree with me on the axis. Humans would not exist.
 
fhqwhgads said:
I mean, I agree, it is stupid, but how are aliens any less believable than half the stuff Jesus did?
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I didn't have a chance to read the whole thread so let me know if I'm being redundant. It's not necessarily about the aliens, but it's more about the person and the people who are pushing scientology. They claim to be authorities in many areas, yet they never studied as extensively as many scientists and researchers. So their credibility about aliens drops substantially.
 
Polygon said:
This is all provided you believe in evolution and I do not. I believe in adaptation, but not evolution. I would think you would have picked up on that from my earlier posts. ;)
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Ah, okay then. I suppose that changes your perspective slightly.
Polygon said:
As for the Sahara. That's the result of global warming, a natural cycle of the Earth. Are you talking about precession? Also, ask most any astronomer and they would agree with me on the axis. Humans would not exist.
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What I'm talking about with the Sahara happen right before the Egyptian civilization came about. This was around 3000 B.C, and was not the result of global warming. Even with the moon as a gravitational stabilizer, the earth still wobbles slightly on its axis. It wobbled almost a degree, causing a climate change, which turned the Sahara into a desert.

What I'm getting at is that changes on the tilt of the earth's axis do happen (on a far lesser scale, mind), and we survive through them. It seems pretty apparent that humans could have survive, if the earth's axis were tilted in a different manner. Tbh, I think the most important thing is that the moon is there to stabilize the earth, not necessarily what degree we're tilting at.
 
"Writing for a penny a word is rediculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion." - L. Ron Hubbard.

L. Ron Hubbard essentially paved the way for the Church of Scientology by writing Dianetics: A Modern Science of Mental Health (Oddly enough, it's entry-level reading for new converts). His first book on Scientology was published in 1951, and the Church of Scientology was incorporated on February18, 1954.

Now, should we see Scientology as a religion? Yes. Because it's members see it as such. They also fit within the definition of a cult. And that's why many people have a problem with this organization...
 
Homicidal Cherry53 said:
Ah, okay then. I suppose that changes your perspective slightly.What I'm talking about with the Sahara happen right before the Egyptian civilization came about. This was around 3000 B.C, and was not the result of global warming. Even with the moon as a gravitational stabilizer, the earth still wobbles slightly on its axis. It wobbled almost a degree, causing a climate change, which turned the Sahara into a desert.

What I'm getting at is that changes on the tilt of the earth's axis do happen (on a far lesser scale, mind), and we survive through them. It seems pretty apparent that humans could have survive, if the earth's axis were tilted in a different manner. Tbh, I think the most important thing is that the moon is there to stabilize the earth, not necessarily what degree we're tilting at.
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Ah, yes, you are talking about procession. Granted, I see you point but I procession would be ocurring regardless so if the axis were to be tilted 1° in either direction procession would exacerbate problems. I still don't believe that human life would exist. Sadly, you're probably right about the moon. Too bad we're slowly loosing it.
 
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Response to Reply #10 of "Why does everyone rip on Scientology?"

Once again my apologies,I'm still a little green when it comes to computers.

I posted a reply earlier with respect to the above topic,but I think I messed it up.At any rate as far as God and Aliens both lacking in proof,I don't recall E.T. ever sending us a book on how to understand and live with some of the very things on this planet that would cause us to question our faith.If you need proof of God's existence,step outside,look around,I certainly have no idea how to make those clouds in the sky,or that dog I see with the Frisbee in its mouth.As far as Aliens,it's my belief that Area 51 isn't baking chocolate chip cookies down there.


Thank you.
 
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MR.KAZ said:
If you need proof of God's existence,step outside,look around,I certainly have no idea how to make those clouds in the sky,or that dog I see with the Frisbee in its mouth.
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Take chemistry, and biology at a college, and you'll understand that those clouds are made from water vapor, collected around dust particles, the sky is just a collection of oxygen, nitrogen, and several other gases, and that dog is essentially a group of carbon-based compounds.
 
Re: Response to Reply #10 of "Why does everyone rip on Scientology?"

Certainly no disrespect intended Sir,

You can't take science and apply it to God.Is this mentioned in Scientology?
 
Re: Response to Reply #10 of "Why does everyone rip on Scientology?"

MR.KAZ said:
Certainly no disrespect intended Sir,
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And none taken. :)
MR.KAZ said:
You can't take science and apply it to God.Is this mentioned in Scientology?
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It isn't a part of Scientology, actually (kind of off-topic then I guess). It was just that you said to look around and see these things is evidence to the existence of god, and I'm merely giving an opposing view that these compounds could have come together to form these things by mere coincidence.

So I guess you could say I'm applying science to the absence of a god.
 
Re: Response to Reply #10 of "Why does everyone rip on Scientology?"

I understand your feeling,you certainly sound like a well educated man,but if you or others or scientists know that a dog is carbon-based compounds,then I would very eager to meet them so that they can use this knowledege to create a dog before my very eyes.
 
Re: Response to Reply #10 of "Why does everyone rip on Scientology?"

MR.KAZ said:
well educated man
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15 year old actually. :lol
MR.KAZ said:
I understand your feeling,you certainly sound like a well educated man,but if you or others or scientists know that a dog is carbon-based compounds,then I would very eager to meet them so that they can use this knowledege to create a dog before my very eyes.
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Ah, but understanding how something works, and creating something are two very different things. In order to attempt to create life, we would need information on the conditions that existed at its inception. There are literally thousands of different variables that would have to be taken into account, and having any one of them wrong could lead to the experiment's failure. The only way we could ever create life, from a non-living thing would be to go back in time to the point when life was created, and see which conditions created it, but if we could do that, we wouldn't need to have this debate, now would we?
 
Re: Response to Reply #10 of "Why does everyone rip on Scientology?"

If we know this,then how are we certain that a dog's chemical make up is carbon-based compounds and not something else?What is it about a man's semen and a woman's egg that causes it to become a human?If science knows all this,don't you think the scientists would've figured it out by now?It's like psychiatry,shrinks have studied the human mind and have learned a great deal of things about it,but ultimately,don't know how or why it works the way it does.Don't you think that after all this time that there is a reason for this?
 
Re: Response to Reply #10 of "Why does everyone rip on Scientology?"

Homicidal Cherry53 said:
So I guess you could say I'm applying science to the absence of a god.
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And it really can be done either way. The fact is that people will believe what they want to believe.

Fifteen years old huh? Well, color me impressed. I've talked with a few but none could display the kind of intelligence you have.
 
If Christians can have a man who lives in an ethereal realm and has the power to condemn man to suffer eternally in a different realm of demons and infinite torture, why can't scientologists believe in aliens who fly around in saucer and probe human minds?
 
Re: Response to Reply #10 of "Why does everyone rip on Scientology?"

MR.KAZ said:
Don't you think that after all this time that there is a reason for this?
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Yes, I would call it human limitation, in that we don't yet have the technology necessary to fully understand the human mind, or create a dog from a non-living thing. We have gained the technology to see what makes up that dog and occasionally, see the workings of the human mind, but these things are incredibly complex, and will take time to fully understand.
MR.KAZ said:
If we know this,then how are we certain that a dog's chemical make up is carbon-based compounds and not something else?
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It's simply, they can look at living dogs, and see their chemical make up, through running tests on their cells.
MR.KAZ said:
What is it about a man's semen and a woman's egg that causes it to become a human?
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The fact that there are only 23 chromosomes in each. They combine to make a normal cell, and then that cell replicates.
Polygon said:
And it really can be done either way. The fact is that people will believe what they want to believe.
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Yes, this is true. What one person could see as a miracle, another could see as a coincidence.
 
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