Why does everyone rip on Scientology?

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Jack said:
If Christians can have a man who lives in an ethereal realm and has the power to condemn man to suffer eternally in a different realm of demons and infinite torture, why can't scientologists believe in aliens who fly around in saucer and probe human minds?
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First off, God doesn't necessarily condemn unbelievers. Much like there is no law that prevents people making the choice to commit crimes, God merely says that there are consequences for our actions. It's funny how people blame God for condemning people, but don't blame judges when they convict criminals. A double standard that i find hypocritical at best.

Also, why blame God for sending people to a place that God doesn't dwell in in the first place? People who reject God are, well, rejecting God!! I know, it's insane to say to the people who reject God that they can't hang out with him for eternity. ::)

When it comes to Scientology, it's all based on an idea that was created by a writer of fiction. A man who knowingly misled nearly six million people worldwide (Only about 200,000 are actually active, though).

When it comes to the Bible, not a single historical point has been proved false by archaeology. From archaeologists finding Hittite settlements to the Philistines' cities being found. So if a collection of 66 books written by men whom most never met can agree on historical precepts, it lends credible circumstantial evidence to the rest of the Bible. This is something that no other book of antiquity can stand up to. Scientology can never be stacked up to the Christian faith, no matter how many people they sue, and no matter how many are deceived.
 
I never once said that I blame God. My point was that he has the POWER to do so. So if he has that type of POWER..why are aliens that probe minds such a farfetched idea?
 
When it comes to Scientology, it's all based on an idea that was created by a writer of fiction. A man who knowingly misled nearly six million people worldwide (Only about 200,000 are actually active, though).
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I gotta admit,this is a very interesting topic,but until the end of the world,or something out of the movie "Independence Day"
occurs,there will never be a resolution to this.Science vs. Religion is like Rocky Marciano fighting himself.I believe in God with every fibre of my being,and will be on his side as long as I draw breath,so in all honesty I guess I'm biased,but in all fairness science has some intriguing concepts.
 
Jack said:
I never once said that I blame God. My point was that he has the POWER to do so. So if he has that type of POWER..why are aliens that probe minds such a farfetched idea?
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Well Jack, my words were chosen to prove a point. Not a personal attack. I apologize if it came out that way.

As far as aliens probing minds and whatnot, it's not a far fetched idea. I am at the opinion that if God can create a populated world and balance that life on a razor thin edge between life and death, he can by all means duplicate the very same scenario somewhere else in this ever expanding universe. But the problem lies with deifying these aliens. And in a nut shell, that is what the Church of Scientology does. They deify a creation that has little evidence of even existing while denying the Creator.
 
Whilst contemplating this subject...it reminded me of Algebra vs. Geometry. And don't throw the stupid "crazy guy who wrote a book" thing at me. I won't respond.

Let's take religion. People have religion because it is what they believe is the reason for their existence. They worship a higher spirit and messiah in hopes that they will join them in eternal paradise. However, should a person commit an act of evil, or a sin, he/she will be punished eternally in a fiery pit (that's based off Christianity though, I know other religions say different). It's pretty straightforward. Do good in life, be kind to others, yadda yadda yadda, and you'll be granted access to a heavenly dimension. Do the opposite, and you'll be kicking yourself as you're burnt over and over again in a hellish prison.

Now...let's compare that to Algebra. Algebra is based off of the idea of using different formulas in order to solve an equation for an unknown variable. You get an equation, you solve it. There's no alternate route. If you get n - 40 = 28, then you add 40 to both sides and you get 68. No other way to do it. Much like Christianity, if you don't do it that certain way, you'll get the problem wrong, or in comparison to Christianity, you'll be denied by the Almighty Ruler. They're both straightforward, devoid of any other possibilities. You either do everything this way, or you lose. Your choice. Fail the math test or burn in hell. Substract instead of add or steal instead of attending church.

Let's look at Scientology. By definition, it is: "the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life". It's all about possibilities. It doesn't tell you one way to act, much like the Ten Commandments do. It's all about how you are in relationship to your body, soul, and mind. According to Scientology, everybody is born with a good soul, despite a lack of belief in Scientology, but it is what the person does which is what abberates and corrupts the soul. It is not what many assume about it. It's not about Aliens creating the world, but rather about the study of the truth and how ones soul proceeds to thrive after the body's death. There's possibilities.

Let's compare that to Geometry. Geometry is concerned with questions of size, shape, and relative position of figures and with properties of space. Do we know everything about the size of an object, the shape, and it's relative position and space it takes up? No. There's possibilities that we, as humans, are bound to explore and discover. There's no set formula for anything. You can have your own way of doing things and still get the right answer. Much like Geometry, Scientology uses the same basic principles. There are many different ways of doing things, and there's no wrong way to do them. Scientology also states that there is nothing that can be completely defined as "wrong" unless the world experienced total oblivion and annihilation.

I'm not really a part of either. Much like fhq, I'm basically nothing. Just like I do with consoles, I felt the need to defend Scientology from the stupid tags people are putting on it. It has it's own ways of doing things, much like Christianity (but to a highly lesser extent). It has churches and people who follow it, so therefore I, as well as everyone as should, define it as a religion.

~Jack
 
I would have to agree that Christianity is a lot simpler than most people think it is. It's believe that Christ died for your sins, and rose again and be saved. All the other details stem from that simple principle. So yes, it is indeed a lot like algebra. However I disagree with your belief of "do this bad thing and burn in hell." God give a simple choice. Believe or don't. When we die, if someone rejected God and led a life that expressed that rejection, then God will likely condemn him based on that alone. God will send him someplace that he wanted to go all along. A place void of God's presence.

Since I am a Christian, I have to look at Scientology's religious beliefs and stack it up against what I believe. It's because of that I see it as simply laughable.

Whilst contemplating this subject...it reminded me of Algebra vs. Geometry. And don't throw the stupid "crazy guy who wrote a book" thing at me. I won't respond.
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It's sad that you ask questions and then add exceptions to load the results. I'd say don't respond because that is the root of Scientology. You know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. There's no sense to "doll up" Scientology to make it more appealing and presentable.
 
That's fine Dart. You have your beliefs and I have mine.

Btw, what I meant by the stupid book thing was so people would take the time to read my post and not completely undermine it with the "book" label. Not making exceptions here, just telling people to chill out for a bit and not automatically make assumptions about my post about Scientology.
 
Before i begin on this, for the love of whoever the heck you believe in, can we not let this turn into that religion thread? thank you.

Now, I think most would agree that Scientology has been dealt a bad blow with tom cruise going insane. If you dont, i dont care. It does seem that a whack job of a sci fi writer decided to make his books into a religion. and as to what jack said, religion is mainly to figure out what your purpose is in this life. So, why does everyone rip on scientology? because everything must have haters. you can not get the heck away from them.

Dont agree? oh well.




Iggy. ::D
 
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Out of curiosity, I would like to know if anyone here has actually read the book of scientology? Concurrently, it would be interesting to find out how many people have read the Bible. On top of that, it would be nice to know how many religious texts people have read from other major world religions, and how much people know of major religions that have no central text or figure. Of course, I don't expect anyone to have all of this knowledge, but as someone who has read a good portion of the Bible and a smaller portion of the book of scientology (and not just their respective wikipedia pages), it would be nice to know if people really believe some of the ideas scientology proposes, or if they're just playing devil's advocate because they don't believe some of the ideas the Bible proposes. Either way, I'd like to weigh in.

While there's no undeniable proof that Jesus existed and was the son of God, to say a man named Jesus didn't exist at all is to subscribe to historical nihilism and facetiously claim that if something doesn't exist in the present, where it can be observed and sensed, then it doesn't exist at all. With Jesus, the historical precedents are there. Whether or not Jesus was the son of God is a matter of faith, but seeing as how everything else Jesus said seemed to be worth listening to, his word alone seems enough to at least warrant entertaining the idea. While there are many people who deny Jesus as the son of God, they still acknowledge his existence and even see him as a great moral teacher (see: Jews, Muslim, and occasionally Hindus and Buddhists, a.k.a., the majority of people in the world), albeit a bit of a fraud. The fact that the Bible was re-written numerous times throughout the human timeline makes it the most traceable book in history. By having multiple translations in many different languages scholars can even use it as a source for determining linguisitic evolution, and while it has been about 1900 years since the Bible was written and compiled, we have literally counted the years since then. To say the book of scientology deserves as much respect as the book that has been the backbone of western civilization over the last 2000 years, well, I would disagree.

So when approached with the question of "is believing in scientology any more illogical than believing in Christianity" I would certainly say yes. If Jesus were a semi-successful science fiction writer who decided one day that he could make a lot of money by calling his published fiction religious canon, then perhaps you may have an argument. But as it stands, you don't. And while we could sit around and mull "what-ifs" of whether or not our records of Jesus are accurate or not, we don't have the advantage of being absolutely sure who Jesus was. The same cannot be said for Ron L. Hubbard. We know he was a science fiction writer who got filthy rich peddling easy answers with an alien twist. Even if all the religions of the world were proven to be false by Hubbard's scientology, it would be much more beneficial for mankind to follow in Jesus's, Buddha's, or Muhammad's footsteps than Hubbard's.

Nobody laughs harder at the ridiculousness of scientology than Ron L. Hubbard himself. Witnesses often saw him laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Too bad Asimov, Heinlein or Clarke didn't invent a religion, I'm sure it woulda been much more believable.
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Well Stealth, I'd say good show. You hit everything perfectly.

Although I don't consider myself an expert on the different religions and cults that originated in North America, I do have an amazing collection of information on groups like Scientology as well as the LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Buddhism, the Baha'i Faith, New Age, the Unification Church, Apocolyptic cults as well as having the "bibles" of the LDS and Watchtower. I also posses a Quran. I always feel that if one comments on a specific organization, they had better have some sort of understanding with the topic at hand.

Jack said:
That's fine Dart. You have your beliefs and I have mine.

Btw, what I meant by the stupid book thing was so people would take the time to read my post and not completely undermine it with the "book" label. Not making exceptions here, just telling people to chill out for a bit and not automatically make assumptions about my post about Scientology.
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I accept that. We do indeed have different belief systems. I doubt personally that I was making assumptions, I was merely fixing any potential gaps in the information. I have been reading up on organisations like this one because they blatantly bully Christian organizations. The Church of Scientology has a history of filing frivilous lawsuits against organizations that disagree with their beliefs. Rather than ignoring them or defending their own faith, they attack their opponents.
 
Polygon said:
Because the Bible is far more believable than a science fiction novel.
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ha, thats a good one. The bibel might as well be a science fiction novel, where jesus travels back in time and changes history by performing miracles.
I stand by my position, Christianity and all other relions is the biggest lie ever told to the human race. Take that America
 
Kegster said:
ha, thats a good one. The bibel might as well be a science fiction novel, where jesus travels back in time and changes history by performing miracles.
I stand by my position, Christianity and all other relions is the biggest lie ever told to the human race. Take that America
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Yeah. Too bad archaeologists have never been able to prove historical accounts false in the Bible, eh? Bummer for the "lie" card. ::)
 
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